.410 slug gun

[doubleman]

I personally have killed a couple of deer with a 410 and within a reasonable distance they are quite effective, since the original post was asking about a bolt action 410 slug gun and nobody presently makes one consider that you can make your own quite easily. An Enfield P14 action already has the correct bolt head diameter for a 410 case so no alterations are required and rifle barrels are available in .411" for the 405 winchester. Magtech makes brass 410 casings and Hornady makes a .411" interlock bullet that weighs 300grns, and because you now do not have to stay within normal 12,000psi pressure restrictions of a 410 cartridge you can make that bullet go right around 2250fps = 3400fpe give or take ie: 405win ballistics. With that said you will no longer have a light weight combination as the recoil is significant higher than your average 410 slug load so you need to build the gun accordingly. This combination still falls into the guidelines as a 410 shotgun and bingo you have an accurate bolt action 410 slug gun with all the ethical killing power you'll ever need.
Just a little food for thought.

 

[brybenn]

^ that's not very nice to put those kinda of ideas in gunnies heads right at income tax time. I like the way u think though

 

[kodiakjack]

I personally have killed a couple of deer with a 410 and within a reasonable distance they are quite effective, since the original post was asking about a bolt action 410 slug gun and nobody presently makes one consider that you can make your own quite easily. An Enfield P14 action already has the correct bolt head diameter for a 410 case so no alterations are required and rifle barrels are available in .411" for the 405 winchester. Magtech makes brass 410 casings and Hornady makes a .411" interlock bullet that weighs 300grns, and because you now do not have to stay within normal 12,000psi pressure restrictions of a 410 cartridge you can make that bullet go right around 2250fps = 3400fpe give or take ie: 405win ballistics. With that said you will no longer have a light weight combination as the recoil is significant higher than your average 410 slug load so you need to build the gun accordingly. This combination still falls into the guidelines as a 410 shotgun and bingo you have an accurate bolt action 410 slug gun with all the ethical killing power you'll ever need.
Just a little food for thought.

Forgive my ignorance:

How does putting a RIFLE barrel on a RIFLE action and shooting RIFLE bullets "fall within the guidelines" of a shotgun?

 

[Ty500+]

I think even if using a brass case, having a 100% recessed projectile, you could argue its a "shotgun"/slug gun.

Youd have to be able to take the exact load and put it through an off the shelf .410 and cycle/fire it

 

[MiG25]

Don't let these haters bring you down, 410 is an awesome round to shoot, here is my 410 setup for deer. The one next to it is its big brother in 20g. I love them both, and won't be selling either, they are my dedicated Ontario deer shotguns.

Nice, what models are those?

 

[j_06]

Know your limit, play within it. Treat it like a handgun and I'm sure it would do just fine. Simple math proves this, .410" slug+deer-lungs=dead deer.

 

[hunter148]

I personally know a farmer with a scoped, 410 bolt gun that has shot its fair share of deer and the ones I have helped with didn't go any farther than when shot with a muzzleloader and in a lot of cases not nearly as far. There are more suited cals but within the limit of the gun and operator have at it

 

[kodiakjack]

I think even if using a brass case, having a 100% recessed projectile, you could argue its a "shotgun"/slug gun.

Youd have to be able to take the exact load and put it through an off the shelf .410 and cycle/fire it

Sweet. I wonder what the fish cops will have to say about my new shotgun?










... I guess my point was, if you're hunting during a "shotgun only" season with a firearm with a rifle action, rifle barrel, and what appears to be rifle ammunition, then you may have a hard time convincing the warden... And, subsequently, the judge.

Don't get me wrong - It sounds like a fun project. But not something to be used in southern Ontario for deer season. IMHO.

 

[hunter148]

On the same vein an acquaintance bubba'd a muzzloading barrel onto a rifle action and thought since the bullet was front loaded and the rifle action contained a cartridge filled with black he was good to go. Lets just say the CO was fair and no charges were laid but it was clear this rig did not meet the muzzleloading parameters. Shortly thereafter I noticed the muzzleloader definition was tweeked to say both powder and bullet had to be front loaded. I tend to agree on the above mentioned shotgun build being questionable.

 

[Scamaniac]

Sweet. I wonder what the fish cops will have to say about my new shotgun?







... I guess my point was, if you're hunting during a "shotgun only" season with a firearm with a rifle action, rifle barrel, and what appears to be rifle ammunition, then you may have a hard time convincing the warden... And, subsequently, the judge.

Don't get me wrong - It sounds like a fun project. But not something to be used in southern Ontario for deer season. IMHO.

Really? What about a Browning Abolt slug gun, Savage 210,212,220, or Tarhunt? Built on rifle actions. Perfectly legal for Ontario shotgun deer hunts. I'm unclear about what you mean by what appears to be rifle ammunition.

 

[kodiakjack]

Really? What about a Browning Abolt slug gun, Savage 210,212,220, or Tarhunt? Built on rifle actions. Perfectly legal for Ontario shotgun deer hunts. I'm unclear about what you mean by what appears to be rifle ammunition.

Those examples all have shotgun barrels. The firearm in question would specifically be using a barrel from a .405 Winchester rifle.

If you wanna try it, go for it. I think the shotgun only rules are BS anyway. The day before the season opens I can shoot .50bmg in the back 40, but at sunrise on opening day, all my rifles suddenly become far too dangerous to shoot. Stupid.

I just think it's an awful lot of work to build a firearm that (in MY opinion) flirts with legality. Especially when I could grab any old 12 guage, toss in some magnum slugs, and get just as much KE without all the fuss or potential legal issues. That's all.

Oh, and I suspect you know what I meant regarding the ammo. A 300 grain hornady interlock sitting on top of an all brass shell casing...? I meant exactly that. It "appears" to be rifle ammunition. Just as the shotgun "appears" to be a rifle.

But anyway, have at er. I've got no issues with it. And even if I did, I'm not the one you'd have to convince.

 

[Scamaniac]

With the excellent slug guns available I have no desire to find the legal knife edge myself. I would love to see the regs opened up to include rifles. After all, from the government perspective it's just a cull to save insurance companies $. Hunters need to shoot responsibly regardless of the type of firearm.

 

[Ty500+]

Sweet. I wonder what the fish cops will have to say about my new shotgun?










... I guess my point was, if you're hunting during a "shotgun only" season with a firearm with a rifle action, rifle barrel, and what appears to be rifle ammunition, then you may have a hard time convincing the warden... And, subsequently, the judge.

Don't get me wrong - It sounds like a fun project. But not something to be used in southern Ontario for deer season. IMHO.

Neat lookin round. Not gonna lie.
I fully see your point. All in all..i was just curious what could be done. How so and loopholes/modifications and etc.

I dont see why the previous mentioned custom build couldn't be used in SOME way...

There are rifled 12ga..so why not .410
There are bolt 20ga...so lets use that too
Get some more kick, to make it more ethical, and effective at range
but use a brass case, headstamped .410, suuure why not.

How is it not a shotgun? Does it need to have an optional interchangeable smooth bore?

 

[kodiakjack]

Neat lookin round. Not gonna lie.
I fully see your point. All in all..i was just curious what could be done. How so and loopholes/modifications and etc.

I dont see why the previous mentioned custom build couldn't be used in SOME way...

There are rifled 12ga..so why not .410
There are bolt 20ga...so lets use that too
Get some more kick, to make it more ethical, and effective at range
but use a brass case, headstamped .410, suuure why not.

How is it not a shotgun? Does it need to have an optional interchangeable smooth bore?

As I said, it sounds like a fun project. But I know that PERSONALLY, if a warden stopped me and asked to see my firearm... and I handed him my gun with ".405 WIN" stamped on the barrel... Well, let's just say my sphincter pucker factor would be in the high range.

(Without bothering to factcheck) I believe the hunting summary uses the wording "shotguns and muzzle loaders" not "shotgun ammunition and muzzle loaders".

I think the barrel (and more importantly, the barrel stamp) are the most "risky" aspects to the project. And it's probably an even worse idea to try to conceal or alter the stamp.

 

[doubleman]

As I said, it sounds like a fun project. But I know that PERSONALLY, if a warden stopped me and asked to see my firearm... and I handed him my gun with ".405 WIN" stamped on the barrel... Well, let's just say my sphincter pucker factor would be in the high range.

(Without bothering to factcheck) I believe the hunting summary uses the wording "shotguns and muzzle loaders" not "shotgun ammunition and muzzle loaders".

I think the barrel (and more importantly, the barrel stamp) are the most "risky" aspects to the project. And it's probably an even worse idea to try to conceal or alter the stamp.

Who said the barrel will be stamped 405win? It is stamped 410 and will chamber any 2.5" 410 shell when you order a barrel blank it it doesn't come cartridge specific stamped. Once it is chambered then it is only a shotgun

 

[kodiakjack]

Who said the barrel will be stamped 405win? It is stamped 410 and will chamber any 2.5" 410 shell when you order a barrel blank it it doesn't come cartridge specific stamped. Once it is chambered then it is only a shotgun

I personally have killed a couple of deer with a 410 and within a reasonable distance they are quite effective, since the original post was asking about a bolt action 410 slug gun and nobody presently makes one consider that you can make your own quite easily. An Enfield P14 action already has the correct bolt head diameter for a 410 case so no alterations are required and rifle barrels are available in .411" for the 405 winchester. Magtech makes brass 410 casings and Hornady makes a .411" interlock bullet that weighs 300grns, and because you now do not have to stay within normal 12,000psi pressure restrictions of a 410 cartridge you can make that bullet go right around 2250fps = 3400fpe give or take ie: 405win ballistics. With that said you will no longer have a light weight combination as the recoil is significant higher than your average 410 slug load so you need to build the gun accordingly. This combination still falls into the guidelines as a 410 shotgun and bingo you have an accurate bolt action 410 slug gun with all the ethical killing power you'll ever need.
Just a little food for thought.

I guess I misunderstood what you were saying there ^. I thought you meant you were recycling the barrel from an existing .405.

My bad.