.410 Slugs??

dudley2112

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I have always wondered what possible use these things could ever be?
i mean they look a little small for deer and too inaccurate for small game? am i wrong? what do you guys use them for?
 
As a kid (12 yrs old), that was considered the gun of choice for kids starting out hunting. And yes, it will kill a deer. The slug is about 1/4 oz. At 50 yds, Remington info, IIRC the slug has about 1300 fps and about 450 ft/lbs of energy. I could be wrong, but I didn't know about the ballistics and my Dad said it would kill a deer, so I did, a couple. Wouldn't try to use it on anything much bigger, though unless I was right against them.
 
A .22 will kill a deer too but I feel it's more of a stunt than anything else.
To put the .410 in it's proper relationship with the other gauges of
shotguns, it's actually a 67 gauge.
 
Does NOT work 100% against a cow, from 10 feet....



maybe for one of those small island deer on the W coast... otherwise go bigger
 
I've hit badgers with a few. I don't question it's ability to kill small things. It has about the same range as .22lr with much more punch. If all you have is a .410 they are plenty useful.

Does NOT work 100% against a cow, from 10 feet....

I can say the same for 12g foster slugs.
 
There's no reason a 410 won't kill deer. It's not overly fast though and needs to be up close to be effective. I've killed cattle on a regular basis with my 357 and if that will drop a cow in it's tracks I have no doubt a 410 will do the same.
 
Here is a study I did last summer. Gives some comparitive data using the 410 from the great M6.

Went through about 75 pounds of newsprint today. Soaked it and put it in the bullet box. I utiulized an airspace to stress the bullets at 4" and 8". I wanted to test some of the firearms I take canoeing to evaluate for black bear defense.

I tested bullets from the following Firearms at 5 yards.

M6 22 Hornet 410 Scout
44 Magnum Ruger Carbine
450 Marlin Guide Rifle
12 gauge 12.5" 870 Clone.

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First up was the M6

In 22 Hornet mode I have used heavy bullets at moderate velocities to take game. I have also reasoned that such an approach will increase penetration for taking a caribou if need be. I use to use 45 grain X bullets but though fairly accurate they became unstable on hitting game and tumbled creating unpredictable wounds. I settled on 50 grain Sierra SemiSpitzers and 55 Grain Rem as these are both short for weight.

50 Sierra 2121ft/sec Penetrates 8" Retained weight 47.5 Grains expanded to 37x43 caliber and creating a hole in the media that averaged about .60 caliber
55 Rem 2111ft/sec Penetrated 8.1 Inches but fragmented. Evidence of tumbling in the newsprint very inconsistent wound diameter.
410 1/4 oz Federal Slug 1662 ft/sec Penetrates 5.5" with .50-.90caliber expansion and 100.3 grain retained weight. Hole in newsprint averages .75 caliber
410 Win 5 Slugs 000 Buck 1117 Ft/sec Penetrate 6"-10". 5 Slugs turn cylyndrical and weight an average of 69 grains. Print into a 2" circle.

Not sure I would want to run into a black bear with any of these combinations but the 5, 000's are pretty fair. Despite the deformation they stay in a 8" circle for 15 yards in the M6

44 Mag ( In a 1962 Ruger Carbine)

240 grain American Eagle 1753 Ft Sec 11 inch penetration. .76x.80 Expansion and 236.4 grain retained weight though the jacket almost split to the base so separation was close.
Average wound channel about 1"

250 Grain Nosler Partition 1586 ft/sec. Penetration 14.5" Expansion 60x61 RW 240.0 Grains. Average Wound about 0.90"

450 Marlin
405 Grain Rem FP 1807Ft/Sec 15" Penetration. .91x.93Xpansion. 390.6 Grains RW, Average Wound 1.25+"
350 grain Hornady 2007ft/sec. 15.5" Penetration .71x.91 Xpansion, 272.8 grains RW, Average Wound 1.25+" with bigger wound in front half than Rem and less in second half.

12 Gauge Shorty
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1 OZ Fed Slug 1378Ft/Sec 9" penetration. .91x.93 Xpansion, 434.7 grains RW Average Wound is 1.5" with huge entrance wound. 3x4"
1 OZ Win 1351ft/sec, 9.2" penetration 421.5grains RW. Average wound as above. Slug is more brittle than above and had one crack that could lead to fragmentation.

15 OO Buck (WIN 3") 7-12" penetration. RW 51.4 Average. .30x.36 diameter. 3X2" entrance that creates gaping wound for first three inches then separate wound tracks.

Based on experiments on wood with harder targets the slugs will penetrate farther than the buckshot. Harder slugs would likely give better results but are not widely available.
Feel free to evaluate the results.
 
To return to the 410. The Federal 1/4oz (110 grain) slugs are actually not bad. They are a bit short on penetration but within 50 yards should take a deer handily in a survival situation. As a choice for hunting? So many better choices it's hard to understand why this would get the nod.

The 5-000 Buck from Winchester is an interesting load. Each shot weighs 70 grains or so so with a combined weight of 350 grains it's quite a powerful load. Too bad the shot itself is so soft that it flattens easily reducing penetration. The good news is this single column load gives fairly tight patterns. If they flattened less I think a multi-ball load would give outstanding service in a 410.

I have a Lee Loader in 410 and have played with harder buckshot unfortunately my groups are pretty bad. Might need to figure out how to do a roll crimp.

I have found the 410 to be utterly fascinating. Lots more to learn on mine.
 
Takujualuk,
I agree, it is a fascinating round.
Thanks for sharing!
Have you tried loading .410 using the Marlin .444 case?
 
.410 Re-loading

Takujualuk,
I agree, it is a fascinating round.
Thanks for sharing!
Have you tried loading .410 using the Marlin .444 case?

Peteo4,
Have you tried loading .410 using .444 cases? I'm trying to find information on how to do this as I would like to try??
 
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