410 - why?

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Not trying to start a bunfight, but am curious and would appreciate some feedback from somebody more knowledgeable about shotguns that myself.

The .410 seems to be such a miserable choice for most purposes – why do people still buy it?

The ammo is not particularly cheap.

A load of ½ - ¾ oz of shot makes for a very sparse shot pattern at anything beyond nurf-ball range. More shot only results in a very long, strung-out shot column, hardly a good solution.

True, one can hit sitting squirrels or pigeons inside a barn, but a pellet gun offers the same ability at lower cost.

Recoil is light, but a light-recoiling ineffective round is still ineffective. Just about every book I've read about teaching kids to shoot confirms my own childhood experience by saying that the .410 is not an ideal load for teaching due to it being very hard to hit anything with it, thus making it frustrating for the novice.

The slug load is about as anemic as they come and sheds both velocity and KE like crazy. Yes, it's adequate for taking a side-on deer at 25 yards. So's a .32-20 and that's hardly considered worthwhile.

I can see it for use on a range for somebody really good and wanting an additional challenge. That's not 99% of those buying .410s, though.

So, it's not cheap, it's not recommended for teaching and only an expert can use it for practical hunting. Why not a 20 ga or 28 ga? The expense is about the same and both are far more effective under most conditions.

What gives?
 
I know an animal control guy. He had a 410 with a long barrel for dispatching small animals that were sick or injured. He could put the barrel at their head and boom. But never used it at a distance.
 
.410 is a perfectly usable round, but in todays world where everyone uses bigger better equipment to try and compensate for poor technique it appears lacking. I've taken my fair share of rabbits, grouse, ptarmigan, snakes, ducks and even one deer with my Savage 24 that for a walk in the woods I love my .410
The rounds take up far less room and if you reload the cost is minimal.
 
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A friend of mine uses .410 to hunt turkey down in Georgia and neighboring states. Another friend hunts quail in Texas with .410's. Why do people bow hunt for deer when a 30.06 will work just fine?

The thing about using a .410 that is lost on many people is that while it is most often thought of as a starter shotgun, it's real role is for experts only. The ability to get close to the game and perfect shot placement within acceptable range are what's required.
 
Around my parts it's 12 gauge for ducks and geese, .410 for partridge and rabbits. It's something that just isn't questioned, except by me.
I have no use for the .410 bore. Go 20, or go home. However, I just recently discovered the 28 gauge. It's won me over.
 
I love my single shot 410 for hunting grouse. You would be surprised how far you can actually kill with that little shell. I use 3" federal blue box and don't really care how much they cost because I only shoot it maybe a dozen times a year.
Jm
 
Don't get me wrong - I'm not a fan of the Bigger-Has-to-be-Better theory. The only magnum I own is an elderly .357. I took deer this year with a .270 Win and the time before that a 7x57. But there's a difference between that and sub-optimal.

I have a Model 24 - in 20 ga. I love the thing and it goes virtually everywhere with me. Could it be that the Model 24 helps keep the .410 round alive, like the Winchester 94 and the Marlin 336 keep the .30/30 going?

Yeah, I can see grouse - those things are so stupid you can just about get them with rocks. Point taken there - .410 would be fine.
 
I have nothing against the 410, but the 28 gauge does everything better, and is my favorite for upland game birds.

Yeeeeee-up and a 20 is cheaper and easier to find.
Had the run of the mill of .410's r'ound'ear and finally gave up.
Thing 2 and .410 jest dint mix well.
Bawt'er a 12 gauge Winchester pump awff'ear (thanks Mikeee-Mac) and 'aveint lewked back.
 
I might like a 410 for rabbits here, but for grouse 20ga gets to go. Flying birds would be pretty much impossible with a 410.

I use a 20ga single full choke for trail hunting and a 20ga SxS IC/M for hunting with the dog.
 
Yeeeeee-up and a 20 is cheaper and easier to find.
Had the run of the mill of .410's r'ound'ear and finally gave up.
Thing 2 and .410 jest dint mix well.
Bawt'er a 12 gauge Winchester pump awff'ear (thanks Mikeee-Mac) and 'aveint lewked back.

I pay the same for my 28 gauge Fiocchi Golden Pheasant as I do for the 20 gauge hunting load. I load my own target loads for under $6 per box.
 
I used to think the 410 was a joke, and I even made a thread about it being so years ago on here. BUT, I bought one (Mossberg 500) in 410 and it has worked excellently on every Ptarmigan, grouse, squirrel and rabbit it has shot at. Used at about 2/3 the distance you would with a 12ga and I find you are golden. I up my shot size and use a 3" shell. My daughter uses the 2.5" shells with smaller shot. It works for both of us.
 
Sometimes it's about what you have and making it work.

There's an old guy across the road from me, has this old beat up 3 round bolt action .410. Looks barely functional, hasn't been cleaned since the war of 1812. Uses cheap off the shelf CT ammo. I'd be willing to bet if patterned the thing doesn't even resemble much of a pattern.

All he uses it for are rabbit & ptarmigan. Only while standing still and not too much distance.

There's no way he could handle my 12 gauges, maybe the 20 ga. No way I'd label this guy as an expert of anything but I guess he's an expert with this beat up shotgun on these two animals at the ranges he shoots them.

Makes it work with what he's got.
 
I can see it for use on a range for somebody really good and wanting an additional challenge.

That's the only reason I shoot it, skeet practice. Up the ante again using a Mossberg 410 pump with fixed full choke, and you got yourself a challenging day.
Shows up all your weaknesses.

You do have to load for it though.
 
That's the only reason I shoot it, skeet practice. Up the ante again using a Mossberg 410 pump with fixed full choke, and you got yourself a challenging day.
Shows up all your weaknesses.

You do have to load for it though.

The only time my .barrels from my three barrel set get used is for skeet practise.
 
I bought one and used it for ducks for the season before Canada going to steel shot.
Over decoys and night flight made for some fun shooting waiting for the shot...
Decoys, well any time you can have them setting their wings and gear down onto the water is a fantastic shoot if you ask me.
There is a time and a place if one has the extra biiwii...
Rob
 
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