Just wondering if anyone is haveing any luck with the 350 gr. Speers. they didn't shoot in a Sako AV hunter I had. Shot some today in my Mod. 70, no luck. Also shot 400 Gr. Hor. IB. First 3 shot group was 1/2". Second two touching and one over about an inch which was my falt. For a big bullet load the 400 over 80 Grs. Rel. 15. In my first .416 I chronoed it at 2475-2500 fps. Haven't checked speed in this gun yet.
.416 Rem. shooters
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Have a Sako trgs synthetic stock in .416 rem 23.8 inch brl.....6 X scope
300 gr. Barnes X
86.0 gr H4895.....2833..2796..2816 fps...0.85 inch/ 100yds/3 shots
350 gr. Speer
80.0 gr Imr 3031...2554..2563..2552 fps ..0.90 inch/ 100 yds/ 3 shots
84.0 gr Re 15 ......2597..2577..2583 fps...1.10 inch/ 100yds
82.0 gr H4895......2551..2547..2534 fps...1.40 inch/100yds
400 gr Hornady
76.0 Gr. H4895...2366..2376..2381 fps ...1.25 inch/ 100yds/3shots
These loads were shot 10 years ago...and now I mostly shoot 365 Gr cast out of it for "economical" reasons that I'm sure you can relate to...
cheers.........
Have a Sako trgs synthetic stock in .416 rem 23.8 inch brl.....6 X scope
300 gr. Barnes X
86.0 gr H4895.....2833..2796..2816 fps...0.85 inch/ 100yds/3 shots
350 gr. Speer
80.0 gr Imr 3031...2554..2563..2552 fps ..0.90 inch/ 100 yds/ 3 shots
84.0 gr Re 15 ......2597..2577..2583 fps...1.10 inch/ 100yds
82.0 gr H4895......2551..2547..2534 fps...1.40 inch/100yds
400 gr Hornady
76.0 Gr. H4895...2366..2376..2381 fps ...1.25 inch/ 100yds/3shots
These loads were shot 10 years ago...and now I mostly shoot 365 Gr cast out of it for "economical" reasons that I'm sure you can relate to...
cheers.........
- Location
- Calgary, AB
Cartridge : .416 Rem. Mag.
Bullet : .416, 350, Speer MAG-TIP 2477
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch or 91.44 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-15
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 79 65.60 2139 3557 32493 6737 94.1 1.557
-18.0 81 67.24 2189 3723 34575 6922 95.0 1.517
-16.0 83 68.88 2238 3893 36784 7100 95.8 1.480
-14.0 85 70.52 2287 4066 39128 7269 96.6 1.438
-12.0 87 72.16 2336 4242 41615 7430 97.3 1.397
-10.0 89 73.80 2385 4421 44254 7583 97.9 1.358
-08.0 91 75.44 2434 4602 47055 7725 98.4 1.320
-06.0 93 77.08 2482 4787 50029 7858 98.9 1.284
-04.0 95 78.72 2530 4973 53189 7981 99.3 1.249 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 97 80.36 2577 5162 56547 8092 99.6 1.215 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 99 82.00 2625 5354 60118 8192 99.8 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 101 83.64 2672 5547 63919 8280 99.9 1.152 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 103 85.28 2718 5743 67967 8356 100.0 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 105 86.92 2765 5940 72283 8421 100.0 1.093 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 107 88.56 2811 6139 76888 8482 100.0 1.065 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 109 90.20 2856 6340 81808 8541 100.0 1.038 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 99 82.00 2719 5745 71266 7856 100.0 1.105 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 99 82.00 2487 4807 49228 8228 96.2 1.286
Bullet : .416, 350, Speer MAG-TIP 2477
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch or 91.44 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-15
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 79 65.60 2139 3557 32493 6737 94.1 1.557
-18.0 81 67.24 2189 3723 34575 6922 95.0 1.517
-16.0 83 68.88 2238 3893 36784 7100 95.8 1.480
-14.0 85 70.52 2287 4066 39128 7269 96.6 1.438
-12.0 87 72.16 2336 4242 41615 7430 97.3 1.397
-10.0 89 73.80 2385 4421 44254 7583 97.9 1.358
-08.0 91 75.44 2434 4602 47055 7725 98.4 1.320
-06.0 93 77.08 2482 4787 50029 7858 98.9 1.284
-04.0 95 78.72 2530 4973 53189 7981 99.3 1.249 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 97 80.36 2577 5162 56547 8092 99.6 1.215 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 99 82.00 2625 5354 60118 8192 99.8 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 101 83.64 2672 5547 63919 8280 99.9 1.152 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 103 85.28 2718 5743 67967 8356 100.0 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 105 86.92 2765 5940 72283 8421 100.0 1.093 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 107 88.56 2811 6139 76888 8482 100.0 1.065 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 109 90.20 2856 6340 81808 8541 100.0 1.038 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 99 82.00 2719 5745 71266 7856 100.0 1.105 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 99 82.00 2487 4807 49228 8228 96.2 1.286
the 350 grain MagTip was my favorite bullet in the Ruger No1 I had a while back. Over 80 something grains of Varget they would do 2550 fps and shoot under one inch if I did my part. On the moose I shot it blew through the lungs and broke the offside shoulder and exited. Excellent bang for the buck bullet for 416s
Mr , 444 shooter
If i've read your chart correctly your saying 84.0 gr Reloder 15 is an overload as far as pressures are concerned with the Speer 350 grain. As I had no manual with 350 gr. Speer loadings I used my Barnes Manual. My 1992 Barnes reloading manual for a 350 gr copper X bullet starts at 78.0 gr Re 15 at 2498 fps and gives 84.0 grains as Max at 2694 fps. in a 26 inch Test barrel. My chrono states I'm gettin 2500 ish fps with 84.0 grains in a 24 inch brl.
My experience with Barnes X bullets is that I reach max pressures faster with "any caliber X bullet" vs. Speer or Hornady bullets in the same calibers and that any data I've used in my guns developed with the "longer bearing surfaced " X bullets has been less than max in the rifle useing the same powder load with the Speer and Hornadys' . The 84.0 gr. Re 15 load in my Sako is 2 grains under what is my max of 86.0 gr with the 350 Speer, when primers start to change to a flatter shape.
Should have added the usual disclaimer....."These loads were safe in my rifle but need to be worked up to in yours"....Thanx for the reminder.
If i've read your chart correctly your saying 84.0 gr Reloder 15 is an overload as far as pressures are concerned with the Speer 350 grain. As I had no manual with 350 gr. Speer loadings I used my Barnes Manual. My 1992 Barnes reloading manual for a 350 gr copper X bullet starts at 78.0 gr Re 15 at 2498 fps and gives 84.0 grains as Max at 2694 fps. in a 26 inch Test barrel. My chrono states I'm gettin 2500 ish fps with 84.0 grains in a 24 inch brl.
My experience with Barnes X bullets is that I reach max pressures faster with "any caliber X bullet" vs. Speer or Hornady bullets in the same calibers and that any data I've used in my guns developed with the "longer bearing surfaced " X bullets has been less than max in the rifle useing the same powder load with the Speer and Hornadys' . The 84.0 gr. Re 15 load in my Sako is 2 grains under what is my max of 86.0 gr with the 350 Speer, when primers start to change to a flatter shape.
Should have added the usual disclaimer....."These loads were safe in my rifle but need to be worked up to in yours"....Thanx for the reminder.
- Location
- Calgary, AB
Yes, the Speer hits max at 84grs. Here is what the 350gr TSX looks like :
Cartridge : .416 Rem. Mag.
Bullet : .416, 350, Barnes 'TSX' 41686
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch or 91.44 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-15
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 81 62.40 2120 3492 34192 6305 93.9 1.521
-18.0 83 63.96 2168 3654 36281 6477 94.8 1.484
-16.0 85 65.52 2217 3819 38503 6642 95.6 1.447
-14.0 87 67.08 2265 3986 40866 6800 96.3 1.412
-12.0 89 68.64 2313 4157 43379 6951 97.0 1.377
-10.0 91 70.20 2361 4332 46053 7094 97.6 1.344
-08.0 93 71.76 2409 4508 48897 7228 98.2 1.311
-06.0 95 73.32 2456 4688 51925 7354 98.7 1.279
-04.0 97 74.88 2503 4870 55149 7470 99.1 1.245 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 99 76.44 2550 5055 58585 7576 99.4 1.212 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 101 78.00 2597 5243 62248 7671 99.6 1.180 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 103 79.56 2644 5432 66157 7756 99.8 1.149 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 105 81.12 2690 5624 70333 7830 100.0 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 107 82.68 2736 5818 74799 7892 100.0 1.090 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 109 84.24 2782 6014 79579 7945 100.0 1.062 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 111 85.80 2827 6213 84703 7996 100.0 1.035 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 101 78.00 2692 5630 73589 7354 100.0 1.104 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 101 78.00 2461 4707 51241 7686 95.8 1.280
