416 remington
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There was a Brno ZKK 602 action for sale in the EE not to long ago, great actions for custom work. I think it was a bit expensive, might be able to find a whole rifle (ZKK 602) and have it bored.
Not that I'm a fan of the ZKK 602 or anything
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Martini & Hagn have a custom 416 Rem for sale, not that I'm suggesting you buy it (I'm not, unless you can afford it) Just thought if you wanted to see one built on a ZKK 602 they have one.
CUSTOM RIFLE , Built on a BRNO ZKK 602 , Cal .416 Rem . Action has been filed and polished out . Has custom recoil stop for scope ring on front receiver bridge . Comes with Warne 1 “ quick detachable scope mounts , lapped in line . Action has been customized with bolt handle , Win style 3 position safety and has been detailed and polished for smooth operation .
Custom barrel 24 “ Express sight with gold line in rear sight , barrel band . Custom stock with steel pistol grip cap and inletted rear swivel base . Excellent wood , metal bore .
5,500 CAD
I hope this isn't linking to a non-gunnutz supporting dealer (no link, just pics and description), and I'm not trying to sell it for them, just passing it along.
Not that I'm a fan of the ZKK 602 or anything
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Martini & Hagn have a custom 416 Rem for sale, not that I'm suggesting you buy it (I'm not, unless you can afford it) Just thought if you wanted to see one built on a ZKK 602 they have one.
CUSTOM RIFLE , Built on a BRNO ZKK 602 , Cal .416 Rem . Action has been filed and polished out . Has custom recoil stop for scope ring on front receiver bridge . Comes with Warne 1 “ quick detachable scope mounts , lapped in line . Action has been customized with bolt handle , Win style 3 position safety and has been detailed and polished for smooth operation .
Custom barrel 24 “ Express sight with gold line in rear sight , barrel band . Custom stock with steel pistol grip cap and inletted rear swivel base . Excellent wood , metal bore .
5,500 CAD
I hope this isn't linking to a non-gunnutz supporting dealer (no link, just pics and description), and I'm not trying to sell it for them, just passing it along.
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remmy is too hot, rigby is plenty
You're right, it was a bit expensive. My wronger.
Price has been adjusted accordingly.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328352
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- Calgary, AB
Go with the Rigby. Much better choice and the added coolness factor
remmy is too hot, rigby is plenty
Not sure what you are getting at?
The Rigby is loaded to cordite pressures however can be cranked to near 416Wby ballistics. The Rigby is a bit of a handful wide open. The Remington comfortably duplicates the standard Rigby ballistics of a 400 grain bullet at 2400fps. It too can be warmed up to around 2500fps, but most people will find the recoil of a 400 grain bullet going 2400fps plenty of fun.
Loaded with 350grain bullets the 416 Remington becomes a giant 30-06 (40-06) without giving up much of the legendary penetration.
The Rigby and Weatherby more so, but shooting a rifle that is capable of firing a 350grain bullet 2900fps needs to be felt from the prone position to be appreciated! (This is what your eyes look like
...Just after you leave a wet spot on the scope!).I think the 416 Ruger will be a great choice....I think our resident "Ruger Champion" should step up and buy one!
It really is more about the choice of rifles than the cartridge...Go with what you like.
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- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
I used to have a .416 Rigby and if I was going down that road again I would probably choose a .416 Ultra wildcat. Rigby and Weatherby brass is too expensive and the .416 Remington doesn't have enough powder capacity IMHO. The Ultra brass is reasonably priced, even cheaper than Hornady's Ruger brass, and with a manageable barrel length, say about 22," I think you could drive a 400 gr slug close to 2500 fps with the right powder.
Holy moly, I gotta dissagree with Boomer here. I think the Rem. has plenty of capacity. I've had a couple of Rems. and a couple of Rigbys, the Rem can go over 2400 with a 400 easily and 2650+ with the 350 TSX. The Rigby goes stupid fast if you want to load it that way. The 602/550 action is for Rigby/WBY rounds in my opinion, get yourself any Mag. Mod.70 Classic action, have the mag opened up and bolt stop/ejecter adjusted and you're good to go. I've got a couple of long mags built on standard mag Classic actions and am seriously thinking about another 416 Rem myself.
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- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
Well lets see if I can respond in a semi-intelligent manner. There are two ways to look at this. From the North American hunting perspective, the Rigby and Weatherby rounds produce the same trajectory that many riflemen are used to, so a longish shot is able to be made intuitvely with those rounds. The Remington probably isn't that far behind, but if 8" of drop was allowed at 300 yards, it might hit low. With respect to recoil, I doubt that anyone who is proficient with a .416 Remington would find a hot loaded Rigby unmanageable. I loaded mine with 350 gr X's to 28 and change, and could hold for 3 rounds prone, and I'm no tougher than anyone else.
From the African point of veiw, the Rigby/Weatherby capacity cases provide enough volume to prevent a heat induced increase in pressure that could result in sticky extraction. The Remington is loaded to maximum pressure just to get the 400 gr slug going 2400, and that would in all likelyhood have to be reduced to 2200 to beat the heat.
To me the .416 Rigby/.416 Weatherby represents the biggest cartridge that shoots flat enough with low enough recoil to be considered a general purpose hunting cartridge. A .460 Weatherby might very well have a similar trajectory, but would be all but unmanageable from prone. The .416 Remington, and I believe the same applies to the .416 Ruger, produces the magical ballistics of the original Rigby load when used in temperate conditions, but in the heat I don't believe its as good a choice. This is a situation that will be exacerbated if one chooses long, heavy for caliber bullets, or even mono-metal bullets that seat deep down into the powder capacity of the case.
A .416 Ultra would split the difference and be cheaper to load than the big cases. It's been 10 years since I had my Rigby, and even then 50 empty Norma cases cost $180, I'm not sure what they cost now. I have almost 500 peices of Ultra brass, that would have been the cost of a new rifle had it been Rigby or Weatherby brass.
From the African point of veiw, the Rigby/Weatherby capacity cases provide enough volume to prevent a heat induced increase in pressure that could result in sticky extraction. The Remington is loaded to maximum pressure just to get the 400 gr slug going 2400, and that would in all likelyhood have to be reduced to 2200 to beat the heat.
To me the .416 Rigby/.416 Weatherby represents the biggest cartridge that shoots flat enough with low enough recoil to be considered a general purpose hunting cartridge. A .460 Weatherby might very well have a similar trajectory, but would be all but unmanageable from prone. The .416 Remington, and I believe the same applies to the .416 Ruger, produces the magical ballistics of the original Rigby load when used in temperate conditions, but in the heat I don't believe its as good a choice. This is a situation that will be exacerbated if one chooses long, heavy for caliber bullets, or even mono-metal bullets that seat deep down into the powder capacity of the case.
A .416 Ultra would split the difference and be cheaper to load than the big cases. It's been 10 years since I had my Rigby, and even then 50 empty Norma cases cost $180, I'm not sure what they cost now. I have almost 500 peices of Ultra brass, that would have been the cost of a new rifle had it been Rigby or Weatherby brass.
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- Calgary, AB
Hey Remington...where's the .416 RUM? That would be an interesting chambering.
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- Hillbilly shack in the boonies
Here is a good page, http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=...Q&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=2&ct=image&cd=1
as far as load this, or that, do some looking at what round would give best bang for the buck, I stopped at 375 h&h cause it was for use on game over here, and anyone think it ain't enough is nuts
Look at load data, available components that work best in this cartridge.
I figure If I was gonna head off into big gun country , it would be a 45-110, lott, 460, 577, you remember the last round fired from these units
as far as load this, or that, do some looking at what round would give best bang for the buck, I stopped at 375 h&h cause it was for use on game over here, and anyone think it ain't enough is nuts
Look at load data, available components that work best in this cartridge.
I figure If I was gonna head off into big gun country , it would be a 45-110, lott, 460, 577, you remember the last round fired from these units
I agree with Boomer about the 416 Rem Ultra and have almost done the build a few times....I just didn't want to get the post off track.
For me as a dedicated Remington rifle shooter the Ultra case is the answer to the big case problem....I built 5 complete rifles last year so blew my rifle budget for a while!
The 416 RUM will probably be the next heavy I build.
For me as a dedicated Remington rifle shooter the Ultra case is the answer to the big case problem....I built 5 complete rifles last year so blew my rifle budget for a while!
The 416 RUM will probably be the next heavy I build.
The 416 Remington is loaded to nowhere near max pressures to reach 2400 with 400's and can be loaded to 2500 plus if you want to do it. The much smaller 416 Taylor does have to be loaded a bit hot to hit 2400fps but the Remington has no problem. I always considered the 416 Remington to be a pretty decent, well balanced cartridge.
The Winchester M70 Classic would be a good action to build on. Regards, Bill.
The Winchester M70 Classic would be a good action to build on. Regards, Bill.
Out of my first 416 Rem I took an Elk with the 300 gr. X bullet at 2950 fps. Broke both shoulders and dropped him right there. Sort of a giant 270. When I chronoed my 400 gr. load it was going slightly over 2500, I backed it down to 2450ish just to be safe. There was very little data available at that time. Around 89-90. The Rem had just come out and 4 of us ordered barrels and made up guns for a spring Bear hunt. Worked good on black bears too.
If you are a fan of Remingtons, they are going to be releasing the .416 MARUM pretty soon!
Chambered in a new version of the Rem 700, called the Model 700 XCR African - available mid 2009 in a 700 trinyte coated barreled action (like XCR). 22" medium contour barrel w/ sights & w/ barrel band front swivel. brown laminate stock, ADL blind magazine, Limbsaver R3 pad
chambered in the *new* .416 MARUM which appears to be a shortened 375 Rem Ultra Mag case to make it same OAL length as a 30-06. The ammo will feature two loads, a 350 grain Cor Lokt Ultra bonded @ 2800 f/s , and a 400 gr Swift Aframe @ 2600 f/s
speaking with a sales rep about the new cartridge he says it was designed to give big bore thump in a easy to handle rifle with recoil levels that most anyone can handle.
Suggested retail is approx $1100 canadian
Chambered in a new version of the Rem 700, called the Model 700 XCR African - available mid 2009 in a 700 trinyte coated barreled action (like XCR). 22" medium contour barrel w/ sights & w/ barrel band front swivel. brown laminate stock, ADL blind magazine, Limbsaver R3 pad
chambered in the *new* .416 MARUM which appears to be a shortened 375 Rem Ultra Mag case to make it same OAL length as a 30-06. The ammo will feature two loads, a 350 grain Cor Lokt Ultra bonded @ 2800 f/s , and a 400 gr Swift Aframe @ 2600 f/s
speaking with a sales rep about the new cartridge he says it was designed to give big bore thump in a easy to handle rifle with recoil levels that most anyone can handle.
Suggested retail is approx $1100 canadian
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Wild_Thing
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Ya, I am guessing 1st of next month or so....
I love the 416 rem I thnk it is a well balanced cartridge & is probably at my unbraked recoil limit I'm not sure more of this good thing is better I have been thinking hard about trying a ruger just for fun I've shot game with alot of cals & without a doubt things stop happening when hit by a 4q6 of any shape
regards Tony
regards Tony
