416 Ruger Alaskan?

c-fbmi said:
You're just not making any sense here at all, and your debilitating addiction to the 375 Ruger has no context in this thread. You go back and continue to play with your 375 now, this is a big boys thread about calibers over 40;)
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Then why are you in this post? HMMMMMMMM Don't you have to be able to shoot and load for your own rifles before you start talking smack about other calibers or people lol
 
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JR45-70 said:
how would the new ruger guide gun do with the .300 win mag with a 20" barrel. how much velocity would you loose, or is the 300 oor 375 rcm readly advaible in canada
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There has been enough experiments where guys chop down barrels an inch at a time and chrono the results to say that you should be looking at no more than 150fps velocity loss, and possibly as little as 75FPS. It will be louder though. :)

I haven't looked at 300RCM sales, and while I do think that it is probably a good fit for a short magnum, the 300WSM is so firmly entrenched that success of the 300RCM would seem iffy. I am actually surprised Ruger brought it out. Not surprised at the 338RCM though. Lots of guys seemed to want a 338WSM but got the 325WSM instead.

375 Rger ammo is easy to find. Far easier to find than 416 Taylor ammo.;)
 
thumper1 said:
Then why are you in this post? HMMMMMMMM Don't you have to be able to shoot and load for your own rifles before you start talking smack about other calibers or people lol
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Gatehouse is capable of making his own defense and knows good natured debate when he sees it. Apparently you are his buddy and believe he needs your support, let me tell you we have been at this for more than a year now and he in no way needs anyone's support.

As far as loading and shooting my own rifles, I assume you refer to my last Mays invite to shoot my guns. I made some new friends and had a blast with the guys that came. We eliminated some loads and came up with some other good ones, and I can assure you that I have loaded and shot every single rifle I own and have punched some pretty nice groups with calibers that most would find offensive.
I'm not even sure why you're in this discussion, do you own and shoot a 416 of any desciption or 458 or 423 or 470 or any cartridge over 40 cal, and I don't mean a 45-70? Do you, in fact, have any pertinant advice for the OP or did you just come on here to rag on me?
 
c-fbmi said:
Gatehouse is capable of making his own defense and knows good natured debate when he sees it. Apparently you are his buddy and believe he needs your support, let me tell you we have been at this for more than a year now and he in no way needs anyone's support.

As far as loading and shooting my own rifles, I assume you refer to my last Mays invite to shoot my guns. I made some new friends and had a blast with the guys that came. We eliminated some loads and came up with some other good ones, and I can assure you that I have loaded and shot every single rifle I own and have punched some pretty nice groups with calibers that most would find offensive.
I'm not even sure why you're in this discussion, do you own and shoot a 416 of any desciption or 458 or 423 or 470 or any cartridge over 40 cal, and I don't mean a 45-70? Do you, in fact, have any pertinant advice for the OP or did you just come on here to rag on me?
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thumper and I don't know each other, we are not buddy's, but he isn't incorrect...You wanted people to come shoot your guns. Actually offered some funny "bribes" too. ;)
 
c-fbmi said:
Not in my loading room !!!!;)
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Far easier to find it in Africa than 416 Taylor ammo. Nice try to dodge your hypocrisy though....

The NEW KING ammo is available in Africa, but not nearly as widespread as the H&H. You counsel to use an H&H in case your NEW KING ammo supply is lost. But then you state that you have taken a 416 Taylor to Africa, where there is not just limited quantities of ammo available, there is ZERO. Zero in Africa, zero in NA, zero in Asia or Europe.

Fact is- You are biased against the NEW KING and your arguments have always fallen miserably, but now your failures are wide open and glaring.
 
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Like I said you are never in need of support, you can skew the most factual remark to support your position even when your position is unsupportable. Your posts are, above all else entertaining, if only for the fact they are based in fantasy. I'm surprized you're involved in a thread about guns over 40 cal when you're so OCD about the .375 Ruger, how on earth did this ever come to your attention? My arguements have never fallen short of any mark, the 375 H&H is the TRUE KING and always will be, sales figures and ammo sales and availability will always support my contention, sorry, not yours.

A man should really consider his post carefully when it starts with "I'm not man enough" when critisizing others, if you don't shoot or own anything over 40 cal then possibly you shouldn't be opining here. The OP asked for INFORMED opinions on the the 416s etc.
 
Gatehouse said:
thumper and I don't know each other, we are not buddy's, but he isn't incorrect...You wanted people to come shoot your guns. Actually offered some funny "bribes" too. ;)
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May I suggest if these posters are not your inept buddies you might allow them to respond for themselves, so I at least know whom I am debating.
 
c-fbmi said:
Like I said you are never in need of support, you can skew the most factual remark to support your position even when your position is unsupportable. Your posts are, above all else entertaining, if only for the fact they are based in fantasy. I'm surprized you're involved in a thread about guns over 40 cal when you're so OCD about the .375 Ruger, how on earth did this ever come to your attention? My arguements have never fallen short of any mark, the 375 H&H is the TRUE KING and always will be, sales figures and ammo sales and availability will always support my contention, sorry, not yours.

A man should really consider his post carefully when it starts with "I'm not man enough" when critisizing others, if you don't shoot or own anything over 40 cal then possibly you shouldn't be opining here. The OP asked for INFORMED opinions on the the 416s etc.
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For starters I've shot lots of rifles over .40 cal. Since I don't need to stop elephants, few have appealed to me long enough to want to own one. I've shot everything up to the 460 WBY, and I don't seem to have any bruises. I've not tried anything bigger but I would not run from them. If nothing else, I am a practical hunter/shooter. The big guns are fun, but I have yet to want a rifle that I won't go to the top of a coastal mountain with, and I really don't see how a .40 cal + will be better than a .375 in that regard.

You can try to spin anything any way you like it, but the fact remains that you told us many times that it's better to have a 375 H&H than a 375 Ruger due to ammo availability in Africa.and yet you tell us that you TOOK a rifle that there was ZERO ammo available. This makes all your arguments seem simply bias and weak.

Keep spinning your BS. Tell us not to take a factory round to Africa, but it's okay to take a wildcat. I'm sure there are some that will believe you.
 
Gatehouse.............I'll make you a deal so as to minimize this debate, you PM me when the Ruger outsells the H&H worldwide or for that matter in any given country, or even if the ammo sales for the Ruger outdo the H&H in any given country.
I doubt I'll be hearing from you in my lifetime!!! Backing the REAL KING is pretty easy!!!
 
c-fbmi said:
Gatehouse.............I'll make you a deal so as to minimize this debate, you PM me when the Ruger outsells the H&H worldwide or for that matter in any given country, or even if the ammo sales for the Ruger outdo the H&H in any given country.
I doubt I'll be hearing from you in my lifetime!!! Backing the REAL KING is pretty easy!!!
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The NEW KING will outsell the H&H in north America in the next 20 years. Worldwide it will not, because most countries have limited access to new rifles and ammo and don't know any better. The H&H has been around for over 100 years so it will continue to be a favorite in countries that lack progression. That is not to say that NEW KING ammo will not be available anywhere, or that the H&H is a better cartridge, since the NEW KING is clearly better. North American sales of guns always seem to dominate the outcome of any new product, so I would say the NEW KING will laugh at the H&H. North Americans don;t have the same resistance to change that Euro's do.

In 20 years, North American hunters- not encumbered by nostalgia- will take the NEW KING far and wide and gun stores will cater to them.

The big thing is that no gun store- anywhere- will be offering 416 Taylor ammo. So to suggest that the NEW KING is inferior to the H&H due to ammo availability, when you take your 4167 Taylor- is blatant hypocrisy. And that is what you have been trying to "spin" out of in your posts, since the topic came up

.Spin away. Bottom line is that you say one thing and do another...
 
Gatehouse said:
Ruger seems to have fallen in love with muzzle brakes this year. **GAG***

That Guide Gun is an Alaskan with a laminate stock instead of the Hogue stock. I now when the laminated LH Alaskans came out lots of guys here were wishing they came in RH models as well, so maybe it was a common request to Ruger?If I was to buy one today, I'd still slap a Macmillan on it and I'd unscrew that FUGLY muzzle brake and pitch it in the trash.

The ironic thing is that the muzzle brake is probably an added selling feature for many hunters.
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Why would Ruger think their muzzle brake will be anymore successful than the Browning Boss? One wonders what tools are designing these things, it' either that or the market is out of touch with my tastes. :) The Alaskan in a grey laminated stock (not the abomination Hogue) without that stupid brake is just perfect (like the left hand version they did). But instead we get a Scout stock (not all together terrible) in all colours of the rainbow with a brake on the end. WTF Ruger stop trying to be different and just give us something sensible!
 
Ruger seems much more willing to do limited runs, chamber odd-ball cartridges, try new things than all the other manufactures. I like them for that. For instance, there is a limited run SS LH M77 1/9 223 floating around that sorely tempts me. Ruger's lineup this year seems like one mistake after another though...
 
I can't believe they dropped the Alaskan, but I suppose they had their reasons. I'm not a fan of the Ruger laminate, too gaudy and too much like a 2X4 to suit me. The African is a nice looking rifle, or would be without the break. If the break is removable, I have no problem with it, I simply wouldn't have one on my rifle, but if fixed, that is a problem. You can select models chambered for cartridges up to .338 without the break though. I was somewhat amused to see that the African model is available in .223, I wonder if it has a break too.
 
jaycee said:
WOW, that new Guide Gun is FUGLY!!!
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It would help a lot with a proper fitted pad and ditch the break. Stock colour is kinda wonky too. Not sure why there is a swivel on the stock and the bbl. :rolleyes:

They shoulda just put a classic style brown laminated stock on the old Alaskan and left it as is otherwise.
 
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