416 ruger recoil

Slamfire said:
My 9.3x74R Ruger No.1-S vs. my 375 H&H Mag. Sako 85 Kodiak:

9.3x74R (286gr@ 2450 fps): 39 ft-lbs

375 H&H Mag. (300gr@ 2300 fps): 42 ft-lbs

http://www.shooterscalculator.com/recoil-calculator.php

Both are about 8-1/2 lb rifles scoped and felt recoil is similar as the numbers indicate.

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9.3x74R Ruger No.1-S with Leupold VX-3 1.5-5x20mm

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375 H&H Mag. Sako 85 Kodiak with Leupold VX-2 1-4x20mm
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That's a curiously neutered .375 H&H load however, even over cordite they got 2,500fps and mine does 2650fps on published data. If downloading the .416 will work and be mild too, but as intended it's going to be stiff if one's concerned about recoil from the get go.
 
I load the 300gr AB in my 375. It's a rather long bullet and the best I could do from the short 21-1/4" barrel of my Kodiak is about 2400 fps MV and powder was heavily compressed. I backed the powder charge off a bit to avoid heavy compression and am fine with 2300 fps MV.

The reloading manuals list 300gr MV at about 2500 fps from longer barrels.

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H4350 will push 300s to 2,650fps without drama from my 24" Winchester, Hodgdons publish 2,645fps with 81.5grs from 24". 2,300 is distinctly a light / reduced load in .375 Mag, and will recoil much more softly. The slowest 300gr full load Barnes publishes is over 2,500fps. Nothing at all wrong with a reduced load but a bit misleading to compare a load heavily down on energy beside a 9.3 as tomato tomato. :)
 
Barnes lists top muzzle speed as 2645 fps from a 24" barrel, 145 fps more than what Hornady lists. Doesn't really matter, the 375 lacks diameter to transmit significant shock as the high speed 40+ calibers do. :p

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Yes we are veering way off course. A lighter faster 375 bullet should make up for the lack of bullet diameter to deliver pretty good shock but might give up some penetration? Anyhow, will report back on the performance of 300gr AB's at 2300 fps MV. ;)
 
I routinely load my 375 H&H rifles to well over 2600 fps with 300 gr bullets. The lightest, a Wby Vanguard, will certainly let you know it is working when you are at the range. Somewhat more friendly afield.

The lightest 9.3X62 I ever owned was a lovely "little" custom weighing less than 7 1/2 pounds all ready to go hunting with the magazine full. It carried like a 7X57 in the field, but was outrageously annoying off the bench with 285 gr bullets approaching 2600 fps. Recoil energy around 46 ft lb.

The wonderful thing was that it killed moose, grizzlies, and bison just as well with the same bullets loaded to a bit less than 2400, and that, I would suggest, may be where you should venture. Like BUM says, it feels about like a 30-06 in most factory rifles.

Ted
 
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Slamfire said:
Yes we are veering way off course. A lighter faster 375 bullet should make up for the lack of bullet diameter to deliver pretty good shock but might give up some penetration? Anyhow, will report back on the performance of 300gr AB's at 2300 fps MV. ;)
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Full well knowing you are baiting conversation for sport and I can't blame you, for general knowledge it should be stated there is no lack of shock from a .375. There is a lack of shock from rounds travelling too slowly however. Have shot critters with full tilt .505 Gibbs and the .375 delivered more shock thanks to more speed. We moved past bullet diameter being a useful terminal ballistic device just prior to WWI.
 
Still a widely held belief because in some places there are bore size restrictions for hunting big game. My field experiences indicate noticeable differences in how heavy game reacts when shot with high speed 40+ calibers vs. lesser calibers.

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My field experience indicates the opposite. A well constructed bullet at a higher velocity delivers more shock and drops animals quicker than a plodding heavy bullet.
 
a 300 gr bullet in 375 or 286 gr in 9.3x62 at 2400fps is not really anemic ... i do not trust in too much speed even with the stronger bullets we have those days ...
 
Slamfire said:
Still a widely held belief because in some places there are bore size restrictions for hunting big game. My field experiences indicate noticeable differences in how heavy game reacts when shot with high speed 40+ calibers vs. lesser calibers.
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Tremendous shock with high impact speed and 40+ caliber.

Mono and core-bond bullets like Barnes TSX and Nosler Accubond hold together well at high impact speeds (other types maybe not as good). A 416 caliber 300gr TSX bullet recovered from a Bull Moose hit broadside high on the shoulder at an impact speed of about 2450 fps.

1 shot piled up DRT with my 416 Ruger Alaskan.

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i was more talking about different powders reaching with the same bullet the same speed ... like varget, rl15 and big game powder ... i ve noticed more recoil with the rl15 than big game powder despite an heavier load of powder ...
 
The above ballistic calculator doesn't take into consideration gas velocity but could for a more precise estimation of recoil. If some propellants produce higher gas velocities that would have an effect on recoil.

"The effective velocity of the propellant gas, a much more difficult measurement, varies, in
general, with the muzzle pressure and projectile velocity..."

http://www.saami.org/PubResources/GunRecoilFormulae.pdf
 
Just added the recoil energy of my lightweight 9.3X62 to my above post. Was surprised to see it was higher than I expected, 46 ft lb, about 10 ft lb less than your 416. Now wonder is feels better at 2400! ;)

Thanks for the quick link.
Ted
 
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