BigUglyMan
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Nothing firm on the buffalo hunt. But Back40Sniper bought himself a 416 as well so that's a good sign.
.416 Ruger RSM
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back40sniper
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Another good sign is it is broken in already and will start load development immediatly It does push a little more than my 375 
back40sniper said:Another good sign is it is broken in already and will start load development immediatly It does push a little more than my 375
My load is 96 grains of RL22 and both the TSX 400 grain and 400 grain banded solid at 2350 fps. They group together and shoot better than any buffalo whacker needs to. The 400 grain A-Frame does well with the same charge as well.
The 4350s are considered "go to" powders for the Rigby but stank in mine. The .416 does kick a bit more than the .375 doesn't it?
34 versus 54 foot pounds with 300 and 400 gr bullets respectively.
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Dogleg said:My load is 96 grains of RL22 and both the TSX 400 grain and 400 grain banded solid at 2350 fps. They group together and shoot better than any buffalo whacker needs to. The 400 grain A-Frame does well with the same charge as well.
The 4350s are considered "go to" powders for the Rigby but stank in mine. The .416 does kick a bit more than the .375 doesn't it?
My .416 showed good accuracy with either H-4350 or H-4831 pushing 350 and 400 gr X's. I also had very good success with Speer's 350 gr Magtip. I loaded some 400 gr Barnes solids (pre-banded) and was satisfied with the accuracy I got from 4350 so never tried another powder. This is just from memeory as my load records were lost.
back40sniper
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No pics yet, too busy seeding, shouldn't even be on here . Like the idea of the post action shot but that might take a while. Dogleg have you heard from Craige lately? Already want a few changes 
BigUglyMan
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Mine likes H4831SC. Now that I think if it, so does Doug's. And the SC is soooo nice to weigh out. Sure as hell nicer than the non-SC variety. But at north of 100 gr a load it disappears quickly.
BigUglyMan,
The classic "Jack O'Conner Load" for the .416 Rigby was/is 105 grains of H4331 with 350, 400, and 410 grain bullets. One charge for all bullet weights. How close does that come to your load?
I hear you on the powder consumption, the one pound containers don't really need theads since the lids aren't going back on. Kegs are just a passing aquaintence.
The classic "Jack O'Conner Load" for the .416 Rigby was/is 105 grains of H4331 with 350, 400, and 410 grain bullets. One charge for all bullet weights. How close does that come to your load?
I hear you on the powder consumption, the one pound containers don't really need theads since the lids aren't going back on. Kegs are just a passing aquaintence.
Once again, my suggestion is to not over think this.
I love my 416 rigby in cz 550 -- bedded, bolted, a little trigger work. I shoot 400 gr TSX / Nosler at 2400 ft/s and the shells almost slide back into the resizer die when i reload -- I like that in Africa. Same principle as a .470 double rifle, the empties fall out of the breach with a tilt of the rifle, yet both these hit with a huge force which is very sufficient.
Yet, my ph in s africa who shot more dangerous game then any one has the right to, uses a beat up (and I mean beat up) rem .416. welded / epoxied on iron sights, you can see the trigger through the wood stock, ....that beat up -- yet he loves it, it shoots like a lazer and kills everything ( and I mean everything). Sure he is supposed to be the backup only, but I used it from time to time and it performed flawlessly with factory ammo and was a pleasant rifle to shoot. It killed every animal it hit (and killed well). No better then a rigby or a .470 or no worse. I always thought that the .416 rem would be "overpressured" as well - but I learned differently.
My feeling is to fit a large bore properly, learn how to shoot it well, quickly, without flinching, and go forward to smite the game -- they all work well. If you want to go whole hog with a rifle -- well, that is what the hobby is all about - getting a rifle of your own that you are proud of. The ruger, cz, mauser, win, brno, yes even the rem (without the crf) are all good, usable rifles that are used to great effect by the owners that know and can shoot their rifles quickly, accurately and reliably.
I have never found that reliabilty stems from a brand of rifle - they all need to be "sorted out", but once there - I depend on every one to the same degree, but pick the one you want for that game you seek, that is the fun of it.
I love my 416 rigby in cz 550 -- bedded, bolted, a little trigger work. I shoot 400 gr TSX / Nosler at 2400 ft/s and the shells almost slide back into the resizer die when i reload -- I like that in Africa. Same principle as a .470 double rifle, the empties fall out of the breach with a tilt of the rifle, yet both these hit with a huge force which is very sufficient.
Yet, my ph in s africa who shot more dangerous game then any one has the right to, uses a beat up (and I mean beat up) rem .416. welded / epoxied on iron sights, you can see the trigger through the wood stock, ....that beat up -- yet he loves it, it shoots like a lazer and kills everything ( and I mean everything). Sure he is supposed to be the backup only, but I used it from time to time and it performed flawlessly with factory ammo and was a pleasant rifle to shoot. It killed every animal it hit (and killed well). No better then a rigby or a .470 or no worse. I always thought that the .416 rem would be "overpressured" as well - but I learned differently.
My feeling is to fit a large bore properly, learn how to shoot it well, quickly, without flinching, and go forward to smite the game -- they all work well. If you want to go whole hog with a rifle -- well, that is what the hobby is all about - getting a rifle of your own that you are proud of. The ruger, cz, mauser, win, brno, yes even the rem (without the crf) are all good, usable rifles that are used to great effect by the owners that know and can shoot their rifles quickly, accurately and reliably.
I have never found that reliabilty stems from a brand of rifle - they all need to be "sorted out", but once there - I depend on every one to the same degree, but pick the one you want for that game you seek, that is the fun of it.
Republic of Alberta
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I have the Ruger in 416. Mine has beautiful wood.
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I hate pretty rifles. I hate that other people always own pretty rifles. I hate that on the very rare occasion that I do own a pretty rifle that I live in such a harsh environment that I can't bear to take it out of the house. But I am comforted by the words of a guy I used to drive truck for when I was belly achin about his ugly tractors - "Pretty don't haul freight!"
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I have no problems at all takeing a good looking rifle into the bush,as long as it is my MAIN rifle.
My .58 Fraser River hawken has a gorgeous looking piece of claro for a stock, yet it has seen untold miles on a sled hauled by dawgs ans skiddoos, boats, canoes, etc.
it still shoots well, even though it has seen lots of bumps and dings.
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My .58 Fraser River hawken has a gorgeous looking piece of claro for a stock, yet it has seen untold miles on a sled hauled by dawgs ans skiddoos, boats, canoes, etc.
it still shoots well, even though it has seen lots of bumps and dings.
Cat
Republic of Alberta
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Ram, I decided i wanted a 416, so I drove down to Whole Sale in Calgary because I knew they had 2. Looked a M70 in 416rem thought I might buy it then looked at the Ruger. As soon as the box was opend I made up my mind which one I wanted.
It is the most useless gun I have ever owned for reasons Boomer suggests. Also it is very heavy for regular hunting (though totaly useable) and has a "clubby" fore stock.
There is a reason these guns come with circasian walnut and have a clubby forestock. It is because the wood is dense and strong and there is LOTS of it to handle recoil. I have never heard of anyone having a stock split. They have a second recoil lug held down in the forend as well as a barrel hold down lug with a screw. The inleting and fit around the recoil lugs is dam near perfect. No need (on mine) to glassbed. They also got a cross bolt. It can handle the recoil, the only question is...can you?
It is the most useless gun I have ever owned for reasons Boomer suggests. Also it is very heavy for regular hunting (though totaly useable) and has a "clubby" fore stock.
There is a reason these guns come with circasian walnut and have a clubby forestock. It is because the wood is dense and strong and there is LOTS of it to handle recoil. I have never heard of anyone having a stock split. They have a second recoil lug held down in the forend as well as a barrel hold down lug with a screw. The inleting and fit around the recoil lugs is dam near perfect. No need (on mine) to glassbed. They also got a cross bolt. It can handle the recoil, the only question is...can you?
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