4200 vs 6500 PLEASE HELP

bobbyhill

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I recently posted a thread asking for advice in choosing one of the falcon scopes and i appreciate all the help. But I have recently decided to spend a little more cash and go with a bushnell but once again I'm not sure which model is better for my application or which one is going to be more clear and which one is a overall better choice. I am looking for clarity and quality, what are the pros and cons between these scopes? Bushnell tac 4200 6–24 x 50mm vs bushnell 6500 2.5-16 x 42mm . What difference will I notice between the two (besides the obvious ie.turrets, magnification range) although I am worried about the 6500 series being as clear as the 4200 simply because the 6500 has such a wide range of magnification will that affect clarity.

The scope will be mounted on a heavy bbl 308... savage or rem (cant decide lol)

http://www.bushnell.com/general/rifl..._65-2164md.cfm


http://www.bushnell.com/general/rifl...0_42-6245t.cfm
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The 6500 doesn't deliver what it was suppose to if you compare with the 4200. It's a good scope but we expected more of the 6500 for the price.It has less clarity than the 4200. You looked for the falcon which for the price isn't bad at all but did you consider Vortex? The viper 6.5x20x50 is a very good choice. PM crashman he has very good prices.
 
I have the 6500 2.5 16 as well as a few 4200's. I like the 4200's, they are a fine scope and work well in many situations, it is by no means a 6500 though.
You need to look for yourself, and do it outside. Scopes are not made to look across voids of space in a store, they are designed to be used under natural light, and in every scope I have tried the 6500 was brighter and clearer than any other scope I have tried.
I peer through my 6500 for a living, to this day every time I look through it as the sun is coming up or going down and the naked eye can no longer see light the 6500 is like looking down the end of a flashlight.
My opinion is as worthless as everyone else's on the internet, but I own lots of scopes and the 6500 is not replaceable, no way, no how.
The 6500 is a step up from the 4200 and a very wise choice. At the 16x magnification you lose very little clarity, if any, the larger one (30X), I don't know, never used it.

Are you hunting with it? If so I can explain a few more benefits.
 
NO just target shooting . The 6500 2.5x16 x 42mm is $$$599 and the 4200 6x24 x 50mm is $689 so what would you do pyd.
 
First question you must ask yourself if you buy any Bushnell scope is: "If it goes south, how long am I willing to wait to get it fixed?" Long wait times are common with Bushnell. Regards, Eagleye.
 
For that price difference I would do the 6500, both are great scopes but the 6500 is better, especially less that $100 better.
Don't sweat the Leopold guys, they love how fast their scopes get fixed.. I will never understand that logic, but it exists.
If you get a chance compare a 6500 to a VXIII, and you will get a better idea of why the Leopold guys are all bent out of shape.
Keep in mind this scope is not a Wall Mart scope, if there is a warranty issue you will not be put in a pile with the guys buying $59 Bushnell's when it comes to being looked after.

But.. For just target shooting you will be paying for a few things that you don't need, like the side parallax and Rain-Guard, both awesome tools for hunting and both options not available on any comparable scope. I would still choose the 6500.
 
I have the 6500 2.5 16 as well as a few 4200's.
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Are you hunting with it? If so I can explain a few more benefits.

I would be interested in hearing of the benefits of this scope when used in a hunting application. I am contemplating the purchase of a 6500 down the road for a Savage Model 16 in .223 for coyotes. I think the 6500 would be a good scope for load development and would also have a low enough magnification / field of view for hunting / calling. I would appreciate hearing your thoughts.

Regards,

Chizzy
 
I’ve just read a thread about Bushnell’s repair department and I don’t know why people are knocking it. Every time I have ever had a problem with a Bushnell product, which does not happen often I just drive to the repair center in Richmond Hill (20 min) and they give me a NEW ONE NO QUESTION ASKED

The 4200 has really nice target turrets and a 50mm objective and really looks superior to the 6500 (although looks means nothing). It has 3 inch of eye relief, not bad for a 308.

The 6500 has target turrets well there not really ...you have to see them to understand they just don’t feel as positive and solid as the BIG knobbed tactical 4200 model. The 6500 only has a 42mm objective (will this make a big difference compared to the 50mm objective?). Both of these scopes have 30mm tubes but the 6500 has 4 inch of eye relief.

So tell me which one would you guy’s get.????
 
I own 5 Bushnell 4200s am very pleased with these optics should I need to buy another I will go for a 6500 (more expensive has got to make me shoot better:D)
Pete.....
 
I would be interested in hearing of the benefits of this scope when used in a hunting application. I am contemplating the purchase of a 6500 down the road for a Savage Model 16 in .223 for coyotes. I think the 6500 would be a good scope for load development and would also have a low enough magnification / field of view for hunting / calling. I would appreciate hearing your thoughts.

Regards,

Chizzy

Mine was purchased for varmint hunting, mainly coyotes. The range of magnification is priceless when switching from a field edge to jumping right in to the bush. 2.5X is about as close to no magnification you will find on a long range scope, that allows you to completely and clearly focus on a target only feet in front of you.
Side parallax, most of my hunting (calling coyotes) is done on my belly, with my left hand draped over my scope I can control the functions of the scope with little to no movement, paper usually doesn't care about that but it will send a yote in the other direction faster than most people are prepared for.
Rain-guard, I just can't believe how well that stuff works. I do not understand it, i have no idea how it works but it does. I love to hunt in the rain, and other times I simply get caught in it. The scope will remain very clear in any weather condition, again, not a particularly useful feature for a paper puncher, but in the bush it is worth it's weight in gold.
Almost all these features are available on other brands of scopes, but not in one brand, that is why I think the 6500 is the best bang for the buck.
I like to bring my company outside after the sun goes down, I pull the bolt from my rifle and let them look through it across my yard to my range. It is always the same thing, they look through it, chuckle then look at the scope as though it had a light on it or something. Even non gun people think it's neat, then they ask what it cost, call me a fool and we go back in the house.
As a hunter I appreciate the value of a low light scope, I even keep the big sunshade on it all the time simply because I like the looks of it, it does not in any way hinder the scopes function in very low light. In pitch black you can see significantly better through the scope than you can with the naked eye.
Durability, I am not in a habit of hurting scopes, but I did manage to drop this one once. I set my unloaded rifle against a tree on a small but steep bank and set off to set up my decoy, there was a bit of snow but mostly a rocky wash out.. When I got back to my rifle it was a couple feet down the embankment, and there was a good "ding" in the scope, like it was struck with something sharp. I shook the snow and gravel out of the action of my rifle (choking back tears..) and packed up, I wasn't going to be shooting that day. At the range I feared the worse, I was worried my POI would be off and I would never have that "faith" I had in it again. It shot true, no change from the bump. Lots of good scopes will withstand that though, not just the Bushnell, but it certainly is a good indicator of quality.
I hunt a lot, couple times a day, I truly depend on my rifle for a living, my choice was made by finding features I would want, not by sticking to a brand name. I have had this long enough and punished it enough to know that it was a good decision.
 
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Hello Pyd:

Thank you for your response. I am torn between the 1.25 - 8 X magnification and the 2.5 - 16 X magnification 6500s.

http://www.bushnell.com/general/riflescopes_elite6500_65-1832m.cfm

http://www.bushnell.com/general/riflescopes_elite6500_65-2164m.cfm

I really like the low end magnification and the wider field of view that would come with the 1.25 - 8 model that would come in handy for hunting in thick and heavy areas. At the same time I like the idea of the upper end 16X magnification for load development. I currently hunt with a 1.5 - 6 X magnification and I am worried about the loss in field of view I would suffer as a result of going with the 2.5-16 model for those surprise coyotes in close proximity. Decisions....decisions.

Regards,

Chizzy
 
I have a 4200 tactical and I LOVE the tactical turrets. Optics are amazing for the price. I had a mark 4 6-20 LR in TMR and the 4200's turrets were every bit as repeatable as the Mark 4's. Yes the Mark 4's glass was a bit better but not 1000$ better. I actually found that my mark 4 spent time in my safe because I liked the 24 power on the elite for punching paper. Sold the Mark 4 in Feb, still have the 4200. Love the value of the 4200! Can't help on the 4200-6500 debate though.
 
I’ve just read a thread about Bushnell’s repair department and I don’t know why people are knocking it. Every time I have ever had a problem with a Bushnell product, which does not happen often I just drive to the repair center in Richmond Hill (20 min) and they give me a NEW ONE NO QUESTION ASKED

The 4200 has really nice target turrets and a 50mm objective and really looks superior to the 6500 (although looks means nothing). It has 3 inch of eye relief, not bad for a 308.

The 6500 has target turrets well there not really ...you have to see them to understand they just don’t feel as positive and solid as the BIG knobbed tactical 4200 model. The 6500 only has a 42mm objective (will this make a big difference compared to the 50mm objective?). Both of these scopes have 30mm tubes but the 6500 has 4 inch of eye relief.

So tell me which one would you guy’s get.????


The 6500 comes in a 50mm objective AND it also has target turrets as well.
 
One thing to look carefully at as well though is the adjustment range.

The 3200 10x40mm Mildot (32-1040M) has 100 MOA of travel.

The 6500 2.5-16x42mm Tactical (65-2164T) has 78 MOA of travel

The 6500 4.5-30x50mm Tactical (65-4305T) has only 50 MOA of travel

The 4200 6-24x50mm Tactical (42-6245T) also has only 50 MOA of travel

I'm currently running a Leupold VX-III with 58 MOA of travel, and I'm bottomed out with my current setup.

I'm strongly considering going with the 2.5-16 Tactical, to get the extra 20 MOA of adjustment, as well as the side adjust parallax.

NS
 
Bobbyhill,

It's not the issue of the magnification, it's the amount of elevation you need for the distance you're shooting at.

For example, suppose you have a scope with only 50 MOA of adjustment, you're using a set of bases with no taper to them, and you require the ability to engage targets out to 800 meters, which will require approximately 30 MOA of adjustment between your 100m zero and your 800m setting.

If you zero in the center of your adjustment range, you only have 25 MOA to play with....you're out of elevation unless you dump the $$ into the tapered base.

NS
 
NS, mount in a set of Burris rings and voila, all the shim you want.

One of the biggest problems with variable scopes with large amounts of internal adj is that the image quality simply looses clarity as you get to the ends of travel. I have yet to see one from any manf that didn't do this. There is only so much the engineers can do to keep the lenses in alignment.

Fixed mag scopes are way better at maintaining optical clarity over huge amounts of travel.

Many scopes start to loose clarity even without a lot of elevation travel - that includes some models of pricey brands. Why I feel the whole "keep the scope centered" thing came about.

I have played with almost several 4200 and 4000 and they all share the same trait, over their entire adj range, the image quality doesn't change. YES, some scopes do not have alot of adj range but what they do have is fully useable.

ie the 4200 6x24 scopes I use have about 30mins of travel. Most 1" target scopes have about 40min. But if the image quality takes a dive at either end for say 5 to 8 mins, what have you gained?

I shoot LR with mine set at full down and go to full up depending on distance. There is no change in image quality or wandering windage or end bind/bounce. The adjustments work! (Nikons share similar traits)

I hope to get a 6500 2.5X16 - 42mm shortly to use on my new 223 project rifle. I am interested to see how the image quality holds up as you dial the turrents for LR shooting.

Mechanically, I have yet to find any problems with the turrents on the 4200/4000's I have owned. Not something that can be said for scopes at much higher price points.

Will post my results.

Jerry
 
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