43 Mauser bullet top punch ??

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Could use some info. Making lead bullets .446 Dia 385 gr. ( round nose flat point bullet. ) I have a RCBA lube A Matic 2 . Top punch is RCBS # 558 but non in stock.

Any one know what other top punch & # could be used for this bullet & were to get it in Canada. Thanks for any help.
 
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I use any old one of the right diameter and put a bit of epoxy in the cavity.
I'd place it in the sizer and lower it carefully on the nose of a bullet just resting in the die in the machine.
The bullet had its nose coated with paste wax.
The punch would have a perfect indentation that wouldn't scratch the bullet's nose.

In some cases, I'd need to do a second treatment if there were a void in the epoxy.
I'm fully into powder coating now and don't use any sizer/lubers.
 
lyman 449 is for a .375-.378 cal bullet. Lyman 251 fits some .44 mag and .43 mauser. The ring can often be reduced or eliminated by spinning in a drill, drill press, or lathe and sanding the edge with coarse then fine sandpaper.
 
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Thanks for that info # 251. Will give it a try. I did fix the # 449 with a dremel tool. Used one of them pink pointy stones cut some of the tip off & that open the # 449 up just nice. Now no ring on the top of the bullet.
 
Fast forward a few years, and I bought your mold, the Dremel tooled top punch and the bullet sizer. Your 449 wasn't the best fit so I used another punch that fit fairly decently, good enough to size a few bullets.

Seeing as that the 449 I bought from you was already worked on I grabbed a cylindrical pink stone and did a bit more metal removal. You had the concept nailed, just were hesitant to take it to the edge. A lathe sure would be handy, but I persevered with a drill press and portable drill. It seems to work decently enough, about the same as the other one I used, and it will have to do until I can find a RCBS 585.

Reworking top punches without a lathe is a krap shoot, pretty easy to screw up. I think a flat one from NOE would be a better alternative. Best of course, would be the real one.

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Addendum: As so often happens, someone searching comes across a thread and the information is a bit weak. i felt compelled to do a bit more digging and I did find a bit more information pertinent to the topic.

For RCBS bullet 44-370-FN, which my mold seems to want to throw 385 grain bullets, asks for a top punch number of 585. However, full product line RCBS dealers are scarce in Canada and a 585 may be hard to find.

Previously Glycerin suggested a 251, which fits the nose of Lyman bullet 446110 and the 439186, it may work but the bullet nose shape tells me that it will not be a proper fit In addition it is an uncommon punch and may have availability issues.

I mentioned that I used one of my top punches that I had in my collection. That top punch was 421, to fit the popular Keith 429421. I have two 421 top punches, one will not fit on either a 429421 or the 44-370-FN. It's been my experience that oft times the top punches are not built correctly or have been bubba'd as the 449 I got with the 44-370-FN mold was. BTW, the 449 top punch is for 375 and 381 Lyman bullets, an unlikely candidate for the 43 Mauser bullet.

The other commonly available top punch, # 649, which is for a couple of 45 cal bullets, is also a decent candidate, it fits flat on the meplat and is a bit loose on the ogive, but is very usable.

Another little tidbit is that the model 71, the early single shot rifle, may have a groove size larger than 446, The 71/84s usually have the common 446 groove diameter. That is what I've read, no hands on expertise here, sorry. I suppose it would pay to slug the barrel and if it is oversize one could always jump into the art of paper patching, or powder coating a 446 bullet to gain a bit of diameter.

My adventure into 43 Mauser is for a friend, whose grandfather brought it back from the Boer war. It is in nice shape and is still very shootable.
 
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You can also try a little piece of tin foil that you make into a round ball about the size of a pea or slightly bigger. Push it into the top punch and size a bullet. The tin foil will conform to the shape of the bullet nose. Once you find the amount of tin foil you need you can put a little dab of hot glue on the punch and put the tin foil on it and away you go.
 
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