44 mag question

Geo tracker, you bring up a lot of interesting points. I don't know where this idea came from that flat base cast bullets could only be driven at such slow speeds.
I used to do silhouette shooting, to 200 metres, with 44 magnum revlovers. I have owned and shot extensively, five different 44 magnum revolvers, two S&W and three Ruger Super Blackhawks. I bought the well known Lyman 429421 mold and the similar bullet gas check mold. After trying each bullet design in my revolvers, I came to the conclusion that using gas checks was a waste of time. The plain base shot every bit as well as did the gas checks. Further, there was no difference in causing leading of the barrels. And I loaded them up. My load was either 22 grains of 2400, or 24 or 25 grains of 296/H110.
I also had a Marlin 44 magnum rifle. I tried the same loads in the rifle, to see if i could see any difference in accuracy, between the gas check version and the plain base. With the iron sights on the rifle I could detect no difference in accuracy. And remember, in the rifle the bullets would be travelling in the order of 1750 to 1800 fps!
Later, I got another Marlin 44 magnum and on this one I put a scope. I still could not detect any difference in accuracy between flat base or gas check bullets.
I think the biggest reason that some loads lead the barrel, is mainly because of how smooth is the barrel. Of my five revolvers, one didn't lead the barrel at all. Another, of the same make, leaded up the barrel, no matter what kind of cast bullet was used. The other three came somewhere in between. Neither of my Marlin rifles leads the barrel. The time I just run a cleaning patch through them and they come out shining.
I have always been an experimenter. I always wanted to try things out for myself, to see what the result sould be. By the same token, I pay little, or no attention to the myriad of unproven theories that are so common on the CGN.
I too, have been caught in the past. When tumbling cartridge cases became popular, It was stated, and seemed to be common knowledge, that it was dangerous to tumble loaded rounds. So I didn't do it and I even told people not to do it!
Now, it is well proven that there is no danger involved in tumbling loaded rounds.
Live and learn.

Thanks for that, I appreciate you and the other CGNrs sharing your experiences!

I will try loading up a sample of 'hot lead' when next I have the opportunity, and find out of my revolvers are leaders or not. I should state that I am dependent on commercially produced lead projectiles (Speer at the moment, as Hornady's lead has a messy coating that stinks in my experience) in case that might make a difference, as I have no control over the composition of the alloy employed.

Live and learn indeed, with at least some emphasis on 'live' ;)
 
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If you are using commercial swaged lead bullets--speer or hornady, etc, they are "soft" and shoot well using low to mid-range loads--in most revolvers they will lead at high velicity loeads due to gas cutting or slipping in the rifling. swaged bullets are softer than the cast bullets that Keith used and are way softer than what most home-casters call "hard-cast" bullets.
 
If you are using commercial swaged lead bullets--speer or hornady, etc, they are "soft" and shoot well using low to mid-range loads--in most revolvers they will lead at high velicity loeads due to gas cutting or slipping in the rifling. swaged bullets are softer than the cast bullets that Keith used and are way softer than what most home-casters call "hard-cast" bullets.

Good point. The greater majority of the material I used was straight wheel weights. Any linotype I happened to acquire, I put aside for bullets for .45ACP and .32 S&W long that were my primary 'paper punchers' for bullseye shooting.
 
I use a variety of bullets and powders in my Super Blackhawk. 240GR SWC I use Trail Boss or Universal (this ones a little dirty). I'm trying some 200GR Hornady XTP's now, using my old favorite HS-6. Auto Comp is not bad. H-110 is called "NO WHIMPS" by Hodgdon for a reason. My old bones can only take so many big ballasts per visit at the range.
 
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I think the biggest reason that some loads lead the barrel, is mainly because of how smooth is the barrel. Of my five revolvers, one didn't lead the barrel at all. Another, of the same make, leaded up the barrel, no matter what kind of cast bullet was used. The other three came somewhere in between. Neither of my Marlin rifles leads the barrel. The time I just run a cleaning patch through them and they come out shining.

IME the single biggest cause of leading is bullets that are undersized for the bore...
 
This is for the OP. Welcome to the wonderful world of reloading. I started with a single stage press and dies for my 9mm and now I have dies for all calibers I shoot. Knowledge is a good thing when it comes to reloading. I never had a hands on teacher per se but everyone on CGN has helpful hints no matter what province they are from. When I first started I used google lots to find decent loads then came here and searched the discussion forums for more info. When there was no info about a certain bullet then I asked and everyone of course has an opinion as to what you should use. As you know powder is in short supply so do what i did, find out what you can buy locally and research what calibers that powder is used for and go from there. I live in BC and my powder supplier had some Hi-Skor 700x and he said it will work for my 44mag so off home I went and this is what I came up with.

CCI small pistol primer #400
240gr semi wadcutter lead bullet
9.5grs Hi-Skor 700X
roll crimped to keep the bullet tightly seated

At 20yds I kept it on paper and that load did not destroy my wrists like my factory 240grs do. Granted the max for the 700X is 9.5grs and there was no start load that was on the Hodgon website so max it was and will be

I have reload data for HP38 as well

same primers
same bullet
start 5.5grs max 11grs

I havent tried this one yet cause its what I use for my 38super, 40cal and 45acp

Good luck tho my friend. Remember, we all started where you are ;)

Note, I did NOT see this was from 2013. Sorry boys, hahahaha
 
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