.45/.410 curiosity

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the Br#####h/Rossi Taurus Circuit Judge can fire both .410 shells and .45colt. Just like the well-known pistol versions. My question is whether the Lever-actions chambered for .45colt could also fire .410.

My gut tells me "no" because of the length of the shell, but I was wondering if anyone had tried this, as it seems kind of amusing.
 
Some how a chamber designed to fit a sub 2 inch cartridge will magically fit another cartridge that is at least half an inch longer, no gut feelings here, it will not work.

On a side not it has been over a month since someone has asked this question.
 
While the caliber dimension pose no problems, the issues arise from the chambering in your rifle. It will be cut for .45 Colt, not the shotshell. If you tried to chamber a shotshell in there, it would be jamming into the throat. Now lets say you actually pull the trigger :eek: . The shell, already jammed in with no forcing cone to properly open up, will have a pressure spike. Do you want to gamble that the gun will hold? I sure wouldn't.
Guns that list both calibers have the throats cut for the shotshell. In my Bond Arms derringer, only the last inch of the barrels actually has any rifling. The rest is for the .410 to work.

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As has already been mentioned, the 45/410 combo barrels have a chamber specifically cut to accommodate a fired 410 shell. The 45 colt loads actually have quite a distance before they reach the rifling.

For the 410 to be remotely effective, there needs to be some sort of a choke/tube that retards the spin imparted to the shot by the rifling or you get a very spread out donut pattern. Thompson Center has a tube in their 45/410 that does this.

But, the issue is still with the 45 colt and the huge freebore before the bullet sees rifling. Some folks have been blowing out 9.3x74r brass and loading a very bulky powder as the cigar shaped rounds get the bullet to the end of the 410 chamber and give the gun a much better chance at accuracy.
 
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This really wasn't QUITE what I had in mind, but . . . ummm, there ya go. It happened
Just as well, here's this little toy:
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I know, technically its .410 & .45-70

I simply thought it would be amusing, not a marketable idea, but check out the Rossi 2011 catalogue (http://www.rossiusa.com/2011newcatalog/?catalog_page=1), and you'll see they take it quite seriously !
 
Too bad the Circuit Judge is restricted!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF

I handled one this week, and can honestly say it would be the perfect hiking/hunting gun.

Perfect for plinking and some grouse around the cottage, and it is so light you wouldn't even notice it carrying all day!

f**kin RCMP!
 
still, I can't imagine rossi rolling out a whole lineup of Circuit judges unless initial sales were good. Is it just the novelty thats selling this thing, or is there genuine use out in the field for a .410/.45 revolver(/lever) rifle ?
 
glasschicken said:
still, I can't imagine rossi rolling out a whole lineup of Circuit judges unless initial sales were good. Is it just the novelty thats selling this thing, or is there genuine use out in the field for a .410/.45 revolver(/lever) rifle ?
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Like I said it is shorter and lighter than any other option, such as a lever, and even more versatile, as it shoots .410.

Is it strong enough to handle some hot .45 colt loads? If so it could be used for Deer within 100m. Plinkin, Deer, and grouse all in one.
 
I bet that Lever-action Circuit Judge will end up non-restricted as there is no way it shares the same reciever as the Judge revolver, which was the CFC's reasoning for restricting the original Circuit Judge.


That .45-70/.410 looks like a pretty versatile gun. Now you can carry the same gun for grouse and deer, as well as get follow-up shots.

Now if it was only blued with a straight grip.
 
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