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Google sandy hook 45-70,very impressive for those who think the 45-70 is a short range cartridge.
45-70 at 2 miles
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Maximum lethal range (barely) of 1,000yd, and even then with a 30-degree incoming angle.
Just because you can fire a .22 LR and send it 3,000yd+ at 45up/45down doesn't mean it's a long-range thumper either.
In an era of volleyed fire en masse, I suppose 2000yd shots into a crowd of 1,000 men may have been useful... but to call the .45-70 an individual shooter's long-range round is a bit hokey IMO.
Still a damned fine cartridge for the bush though, nobody will ever doubt that.
-M
Just because you can fire a .22 LR and send it 3,000yd+ at 45up/45down doesn't mean it's a long-range thumper either.
In an era of volleyed fire en masse, I suppose 2000yd shots into a crowd of 1,000 men may have been useful... but to call the .45-70 an individual shooter's long-range round is a bit hokey IMO.
Still a damned fine cartridge for the bush though, nobody will ever doubt that.
-M
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Back in 1879 there was no other choice.......
Most "Quigley" target shoots,esp. in the USA, range out to 1200 yds. and the 45/70 is the most common black powder cartridge used. As an aside, Mike Venturino, in this months Handloader talks about the advantages of Black Powder in the 45/70. It is, in his opinion, more accurate, lower S.D., then smokeless or B.P. substitute in the 45/70. He found that some B.P. substitutes gave velocities that varied by as much as 400fps.!!!! Bob Mitchell's work aside, I find BP in the 45/70 more accurate then smokeless and would wonder why 1000yds. is the limit for you folks, when Billy shot the medicine man off his horse at 1578 yds. at Adobe Walls with a BPCR.
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- Thunder Bay ON Canada
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- Vancouver Island BC
You are correct when you say there are better choices for reaching out ,but doing it with the technology of 1879 is quite a feat. The 3200 yards they were shooting was further than any long range sniper in the "modern" world.
I could only imagine what those shooters could accomplish with something like the 416 Cheytac or other similar rounds.
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delta1
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Doc M Says:
{Maximum lethal range (barely) of 1,000yd, and even then with a 30-degree incoming angle.}
I for one would not want to be on the recieving end of a 500+ grain lead pill at 2 miles. It may be falling out of the sky at a steep angle at 300 or so feet per second with that kind of weight it makes it lethal.
Ben good to hear from you.
Delta1
{Maximum lethal range (barely) of 1,000yd, and even then with a 30-degree incoming angle.}
I for one would not want to be on the recieving end of a 500+ grain lead pill at 2 miles. It may be falling out of the sky at a steep angle at 300 or so feet per second with that kind of weight it makes it lethal.
Ben good to hear from you.
Delta1
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Brutus
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USMC demos recently...
Two years ago while at a local shoot in Willow Bunch, Saskatchewan, one of the advanced BPCR Provincial shooters there, was invited to Quantico USMC Training Depot in the recent past. Trip expences, paid by the USMC. He was asked to and gave, a demonstration to Marine Corps Scout Snipers, on the long range capabilities of his BPCR rifle in 40/65 or 45/70, I cannot remember which one he brought with him.
The theory was for snipers to be fully aware, that just because they have advanced technology, some hostile sharpshooters in third world countries, may have superior shooting skills with 'older' equipment.
Two years ago while at a local shoot in Willow Bunch, Saskatchewan, one of the advanced BPCR Provincial shooters there, was invited to Quantico USMC Training Depot in the recent past. Trip expences, paid by the USMC. He was asked to and gave, a demonstration to Marine Corps Scout Snipers, on the long range capabilities of his BPCR rifle in 40/65 or 45/70, I cannot remember which one he brought with him.
The theory was for snipers to be fully aware, that just because they have advanced technology, some hostile sharpshooters in third world countries, may have superior shooting skills with 'older' equipment.
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The theory was for snipers to be fully aware, that just because they have advanced technology, some hostile sharpshooters in third world countries, may have superior shooting skills with 'older' equipment.[/QUOTE]
It just proves that a rifle doesn't have to be new or recent technology to knock down targets way out there,well said Brutus.
It just proves that a rifle doesn't have to be new or recent technology to knock down targets way out there,well said Brutus.
