45-70 for hunting low vel'

The 3 ball loads would work very well in Shotguns and the large bore rifle cases, i would go with a very hard cast round ball here though.IMHO
 
phishroy said:
thank you for the info but my quistion is if these bullets will open up once they hit a deer and not just make a big pass through hole?
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In all seriousness, if all you get is "a big pass through hole", it will certainly kill a deer very quickly if the hit is in the vital area.......and do the same on moose and bear.

Ted
 
I used to hunt with a .270 Winchester and I still will. But this 45-70 feels like throwing a bowling ball at what I shoot at. The bullet is already around the size of the .270 mushroomed out. If it even gets 20-30% bigger it would be a stellar performance.
This is not the greatest explanation of multiple ball rounds, but it's a start. Trust me I am not going to jump into it full power, full speed. I learn a lot before I start anything.

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I needed a couple of loads that duplicated the 1880's muzzle velocity of 1350fps which was the government issue load at the time with a 405 grain bullet. I've had sucess with 39.0 grains of IMR 4895 pushing a 405 grain gas checked bullet from the Bullet Barn. You will feel the recoil. My other load is 13.0 grains of Unique pushing the same bullet. Recoil is so light you can fire 100 of them at 1 sitting.
 
unstableryan said:
The bullet is already around the size of the .270 mushroomed out.
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It doesn't work that way.

The expansion that takes place when a bullet hits an animal results in a tremendous energy transfer as the bullet is forced to expand. This energy dump is what cause the temporary wound cavity to expand and cause a vast amount of damage to the tissue surrounding the primary wound channel. This multiplies the amount of bleeding tissue which cause the animals blood pressure to drop quickly and causes it to die soon after being shot.

A large diameter bullet that does not expand on contact with a soft target will drill a hole through the animal sure enough but it doesn't produce as large a temporary wound cavity as a softer bullet will. The animal will die without question but it may go further after the shot than the hunter would like. In order to provide a bit more "shock" you will see a lot of experienced hard-cast shooters recommend a bullet design that incorporates a large flat meplat which will add a bit more "shock" at contact and produce the all-important temporary cavity.
 
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'Boo said:
It doesn't work that way.

The expansion that takes place when a bullet hits an animal results in a tremendous energy transfer as the bullet is forced to expand. This energy dump is what cause the temporary wound cavity to expand and cause a vast amount of damage to the tissue surrounding the primary wound channel. This multiplies the amount of bleeding tissue which cause the animals blood pressure to drop quickly and causes it to die soon after being shot.

A large diameter bullet that does not expand on contact with a soft target will drill a hole through the animal sure enough but it doesn't produce as large a temporary wound cavity as a softer bullet will. The animal will die without question but it may go further after the shot than the hunter would like. In order to provide a bit more "shock" you will see a lot of experienced hard-cast shooters recommend a bullet design that incorporates a large flat meplat which will add a bit more "shock" at contact and produce the all-important temporary cavity.
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That’s exactly my point. …maybe I didn’t make myself clear enough at the beginning.

And to add to what you mentioned I rather have a bullet which transfers more energy and not come out the other side than a large bullet drilling through and not transferring the energy.

I was at the range this week trying a load on some 2x4’s and other wood, had some 405 grain bullets from the bullet barn they just past through the layers of 2x4, my chrony was reading about 1300fps. I was able to recover some of the bullets and they were almost complexly intact, very bent to the left or right but no expansion or anything like that

I also had some factory Remington loads 405 flat point and they actually chronied much less, between 1100 to 1250fps which surprised me.
Unfortunately I wasn’t able to recover the bullets after to see if there was any expansion with the jacketed bullets, I assumed there was since the lead was very soft.

I saw that someone mentioned on this thread before that the bullets from the bullet barn are much harder; perhaps I should try with a softer bullet to see if I would get any expansion.
 
You people seem to know that a bullet has to expand to be effective.
Someone should tell the animals that, so they wouldn't just have to fall over dead.
 
The Speer 400 gr. soft point are notorious for quick expansion, and follow along with the theory that you should match the bullet to the game and the speed with which you are shooting it. Velocities of 1200 fps. call for bullets like the Speer or cast bullets done 20 or 30-1, higher velocities call for harder bullets, but there is no advantage to a bullet harder then BHN 20 for game hunting, in fact on most game a bullet harder then that will almost guarantee no expansion.
 
I've had good luck with 425 gr. cast flatpoint Lyman mould bullet, using 20.0 gr of SR4759 with a 1/4" florist's foam overpowder wad-very accurate does 1400 fps according to my chrony.I am going to redevelop with cornmeal filler so they are more suitable loaded cartridges for hunting.No chance of a wad moving forward thru recoil.
 
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