45-70 Guide gun and 1895 velocity differences

[303carbine]

Both rifles fired the same loads with same powder,bullets, seating depth etc
Bullets .. 420 grain cast Green bullets over 40 grains of IMR 4198

Marlin Guide Gun 18.5 inch barrel... 1630 fps
Marlin 1895 with 22 inch barrel.....1706 fps
Same chrongraph..........
The 1895 is more pleasant to shoot for me because of the pistol grip and design differences from the Guide Gun.

The usual warnings go with using someone else's reloading data.......

 

[H4831]

What powder and charge were you using?

 

[crazy_davey]

I have owned 2 of each and did the exact same test. I was using 53-54 grains of 3031 and a 405g jacketed SP. All of my results are written down at home but I do remember that I was getting 80-100fps less out of a GG than I was out of an 1895 depending on the day.

The 1895 is more pleasant to shoot for me because of the pistol grip and design differences from the Guide Gun.

Put a pistol grip stock on a GG and give it a try, you might be pleasantly surprised, I know I was.

 

[Teapot]

Where can I buy a pistol-gripped stock for my GG?

 

[crazy_davey]

Where can I buy a pistol-gripped stock for my GG?

You have to buy more than just the stock.

I completely swapped actions and internals from a GG to a regular 1895 and vise versa.

 

[Johnn Peterson]

Both rifles fired the same loads with same powder,bullets, seating depth etc
Bullets .. 420 grain cast Green bullets over 40 grains of IMR 4198

Marlin Guide Gun 18.5 inch barrel... 1630 fps
Marlin 1895 with 22 inch barrel.....1706 fps
Same chrongraph..........
The 1895 is more pleasant to shoot for me because of the pistol grip and design differences from the Guide Gun.

The usual warnings go with using someone else's reloading data.......

That's something I've been saying for quite a while.

 

[303carbine]

It was the straight lever on th GG that was a problem ,after a few rounds my middle knuckle would take a thrashing.The 1895 pistol grip and stock difference makes it more comfy on the pinkies to shoot. The GG lever was designed for girls with lil hands not a man with big gobby mitts.

 

[Johnn Peterson]

You have to buy more than just the stock.

I completely swapped actions and internals from a GG to a regular 1895 and vise versa.

Question, knowing what I know now, I wonder if it wouldn't be 'easier' to settle for an XLR and shorten the barrel to get to a guide model size? Your thoughts??
Oh, for jacketed bullets, I do like the Remington 405gr and would be hard pressed to choose between that and the 400gr Speer FN. Thanks again.

 

[crazy_davey]

Question, knowing what I know now, I wonder if it wouldn't be 'easier' to settle for an XLR and shorten the barrel to get to a guide model size? Your thoughts??
Oh, for jacketed bullets, I do like the Remington 405gr and would be hard pressed to choose between that and the 400gr Speer FN. Thanks again.

Sure, if you like the XLR that is. Or just shorten the barrel on a regular old 1895. I just had quite a few Marlins around at the time and figured I would play. The results were well worth the time to do it, so much that I gave the pistol gripped GG to my old man for Fathers Day. He agreed that the GG was much nicer to shoot than when it had the straight grip and stock. I don't think I will ever be able to pry that one away from him, he loves it!

Thanks again.

No problem