45/70 loads

The '95 doesn't like long OAL's, you'll have to seat that 480 pretty deep. I've never used RL7 before, but it seems to be a popular powder for the ole 45-70. I've had good luck with the surplus WC-735 from Higginsons. It's cheap and it really belts the 405's out there good.

What are you planning on using this load for? Hard cast don't usually expand, so that along with the 480gr weight - you should be able to shoot clear through any animal in North America from any angle ( a lot of african animals, too)
 
prosper said:
What are you planning on using this load for? Hard cast don't usually expand, so that along with the 480gr weight - you should be able to shoot clear through any animal in North America from any angle ( a lot of african animals, too)
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I agree - better to go with a quality hunting bullet. I have used both Nosler Partition and Barnes X with good results on Elk out to 225 metres. Solid lead are good for the historical aspect, but I'm not sure I'd want them in the mountains with me!
 
Just looking for a short range moose load; kill quickly but not destroy the meat. Usually fairly dense underbrush so twig hit a possibility.

I also shoot the 405 and 300g bullets but just looking for something different.

Thanks
bbuffett
 
Bernie: Don't worry about seating depth, seat it to the crimping groove, and crimp hard, if this is the 480gr.WFN GC from M.t. Chambers don't worry he will have taken OAL into account when he designed that hammer!! Can't think of anyone who has done as much testing as he on the .45s and 50s. .45/70 Guru B. Mitchell lists 45gr. of RL-7 as having 35,000CUP and 1850 fps.from 24" bl. Under factory press. levels for other cartridges on the same action!! Oh yeah....Taylor K.O. value...58........375 H&H....41 .300 win mag....28
 
Stewart: This is outside of Partitions or failsafes or TSX, etc......we are talking big knockdown at short to med ranges...with recoil to match......45/70s are handicapped by these light short bullets, you want a big hole cut and bones crushed even if there is no expansion and a big flat point will do this. For long range mountain hunting a 45/70 is probably not the best pick, but when in close take the heaviest, widest flat pt. in the 45/70 and save the light bullets for marmots, and yotes.
 
No doubt that hard cast will get the job done. Even with no expansion, you've still got a .45 hole in your critter, and that big heavy angry bullet won't stop for nuthin :)

Still, my favourite hunting load is with the 405 gr remington jacketed bullets at about 1950 fps. Lots of penetration - more than enough actually - and a 1" hole instead of a .45" hole
 
Can't argue with prosper..in our testing the remington 405gr. faired best overall of the jacketed bullets....held together better than Speer 400....held up O.K. in the bone box!! Cannelure in the right place....cost effective.....though the 480 WFN Gc keeps ruining the box!!
 
I load 550gr Jae-Bok Young Crater's with 44grs H322 powder and Win LR primers = 1600fps from my 18.5" barreled 1895GS.

I have tried Rl #7 but totally prefer H322.

I consider H322 to be the best all round powder for any bullet weight from 300gr to 550gr in Marlin rifles.

I have never loaded the 480's that you are looking for data for so can't help.
 
Last year when walking into a moose kill in grizzly country with my Marlin 1895GS loaded with my 550gr Crater's they where not even close too being heavy.

If a grizzly would have shown itself it would have recieved a couple of those Crater's in it's forehead.

I also had 300gr XTP's, 405gr Rem, 405gr WFNGC's, and 430gr WFNGC's with me and my 550's where in the gun because they do what none of the others can.

They punch a hole better into the heaviest/hardest bone that can get in thier way. :D
 
Camp Cook,

Is your 550 gr Jae-Bok / 44 gr H322 load a compressed load? Do you have any sign of excessive pressures with the Marlin GG? Where did you get the load data from?

I shoot 550 gr gas checked hard cast bullets with 42gr of H322, Winchester lg rifle primers and Starline cases. The bullets are "my copy" of Marshall Stanton's Beartooth Bullet 525gr Piledriver bullets. I designed the bullet to be .461 cal. with a 70% meplat. The mold was made by Mountainman molds.
I don't get excessive pressure signs in my GG with this load, but the recoil is stout and I do have unburnt powder in the bore. My rifle is more accurate with 39 gr H322 however. Marshall Stanton reccomends up to 42 gr of H322 with his Piledriver bullets for the Marlin GG.
 
Camp Cook said:
Last year when walking into a moose kill in grizzly country with my Marlin 1895GS loaded with my 550gr Crater's they where not even close too being heavy.

If a grizzly would have shown itself it would have recieved a couple of those Crater's in it's forehead.

I also had 300gr XTP's, 405gr Rem, 405gr WFNGC's, and 430gr WFNGC's with me and my 550's where in the gun because they do what none of the others can.

They punch a hole better into the heaviest/hardest bone that can get in thier way. :D
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If your taking a short cartridge then filling the rest of the barrel with projectile maybe its time to look at a different cartridge. You know,the old 45/70 doesnt belong cape buff hunting scene.

PS sorry I quoted the wrong guy

PSS. Throughing the 405 rems is comparible to throughing #### wrapped in soggy TP
 
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Blindside is confused......a properly loaded 45/70 will have enough space for all the RL-7 You can stand....Taylor Knockout value:61 Multiply this by Mag. cap.(times 9 for '95 Cowboy) comes to .....lets see 500 and something....and from the bench one large headache.....The "old' 45/70 would be right at home flattening Cape Buffs.
 
ben hunchak said:
Blindside is confused......a properly loaded 45/70 will have enough space for all the RL-7 You can stand....Taylor Knockout value:61 Multiply this by Mag. cap.(times 9 for '95 Cowboy) comes to .....lets see 500 and something....and from the bench one large headache.....The "old' 45/70 would be right at home flattening Cape Buffs.
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You just show up on the dark continent with one on a DG hunt and we'll see how long your there for NOT
 
Spokerider said:
Camp Cook, Is your 550 gr Jae-Bok / 44 gr H322 load a compressed load? Do you have any sign of excessive pressures with the Marlin GG? Where did you get the load data from?
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Yes it is compressed but H322 is designed to be compressed a bit. I worked with several extremely knowledgable fellows on an American site that were working up loads for the .458 cal Jae-Bok Young Craters and Crater Lite bullets.

Their are absolutely no pressure signs and recoil is less than my 1900fps 400gr Speer or 405gr Rem and 405gr Bullet Barn GC bullets that I load. We stopped due to reaching our velocity goal of 1600fps. I have fired several hundred of the 550gr loads now plus hundreds more of top velocity loads in my 1895GS.

Awesome gun/cartridge combo.....
 
Who's talking dark continent.......

The Marlin 1895 45-70 is the best standard production bush gun available today for North America when approriate loads are used.

COL is very important in a lever action rifle so you're not filling the barrel with bullet it is actually the other way, its the case that has less powder space...

"Fill the barrel with bullet" thats a good one..... :D :p :D :p :D
 
blindside said:
You just show up on the dark continent with one on a DG hunt and we'll see how long your there for NOT
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Maybe tell that to the people who have allready done it, and it is not just one or two. Do some research on the subject.

Check out Garrett Cartridges web page under trophies for a quick idea.
 
^ People have taken out elephant with 7x57's and 500 S&W handguns. Doesn't mean it's a good idea, or that it's not a stunt
 
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