Thanks. That's just what I've been looking for. That should burn up the can of Unique I've had sitting here for awhile. I just picked up a box of Remington 405 gr bullets and a pound of Accurate 5744 powder. It's also made in Canada, now that's a plus. It's supposed to be good for reduced loads and large capacity black powder cartridges such as the 45-70 through to 45-120 and up to 50-120. Got to get reloading now. I'll let you all know how it goes. http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/WP_LoadSpec_7-2-13.pdf
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Brutus
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Make 110% sure your reduced load data is published in a reloading manual friend.
Do not merely assume that reduced handload information in compatible between lead cast and copper jacketed bullets.
Because this is not necessarily so.
Beware for your own safety!!!
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Heavens no - we must never use loads that aren't published.
Show me one load shared here that's unsafe - these are all "reduced loads", suggesting low end cast loads with jacketed substituted. Better yet, show me one cast bullet load that would not be safe if a jacketed bullet was substituted in a strong action (i.e. designed for 50K+ psi). Even the "hottest" cast bullet load is designed to produce pressure well below that (40K psi is considered very high) and we're discussing "reduced" loads.
To be fair, it was never mentionned what firearm these loads will be used in, thus the "strong action" caveat. It's conceivable in a "weak" action (e.g. a Trapdoor Springfield designed for about 25K psi), that even some mid-top end cast loads would be too much. Add to that the increased pressure from substituting a jacketed bullet and you go even higher.
Show me one load shared here that's unsafe - these are all "reduced loads", suggesting low end cast loads with jacketed substituted. Better yet, show me one cast bullet load that would not be safe if a jacketed bullet was substituted in a strong action (i.e. designed for 50K+ psi). Even the "hottest" cast bullet load is designed to produce pressure well below that (40K psi is considered very high) and we're discussing "reduced" loads.
To be fair, it was never mentionned what firearm these loads will be used in, thus the "strong action" caveat. It's conceivable in a "weak" action (e.g. a Trapdoor Springfield designed for about 25K psi), that even some mid-top end cast loads would be too much. Add to that the increased pressure from substituting a jacketed bullet and you go even higher.
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Brutus
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BTW Andy, if you re-read my prior post, you'll note I never even once disputed your Trapdoor loads.
Example of my own: I once used cast lead powder data with a copper jacketed bullet in my S&W 624.
Went through about 25 of these plinking loads at an indoor range.
One of these loads sounded kind of odd, and the recoil impulse was different.
Ended up with that bullet being stuck half inside and half outside the muzzle.
A 24 hour period of kroil soak and about 15 swings with a heavy hammer and brass drift to pound this bullet from the front, out the back.
Hence my prior warning. Feel free to take it or leave it.
Cheers!
You make a good point and I stand corrected - there are concerns on both ends of the pressure range.
If using low pressure loads developed for cast bullets, and substituting jacketed bullets, you risk the possibility of lodging a bullet in the bore that might not be there for the cast. In the same way that you'd ensure that the pressure is high enough to reliably expel a cast bullet, the same applies to jacketed.
If using low pressure loads developed for cast bullets, and substituting jacketed bullets, you risk the possibility of lodging a bullet in the bore that might not be there for the cast. In the same way that you'd ensure that the pressure is high enough to reliably expel a cast bullet, the same applies to jacketed.
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Been loading 15gr of trail boss under a 405gr OMA cast boolit, velocity as a rough guess is in the 1400-1500fps range with about the recoil of a warm 45 colt load... I can snuggle 3 into a 1.5" circle with my 18" TC Pro Hunter... Very mild load, even my missus shoots it.
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