Wasn't calling OP a troll. BIG MAN reworded my post with a bit more pizazz as well.
.45-70 VS .300 win
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Wasn't calling OP a troll. BIG MAN reworded my post with a bit more pizazz as well.
We're looking around for a milsurp 20mm anti aircraft cannon for moose hunting.
Just think my grampa shot a maine moose back in the 80s with a m94/30-30.
They must be evolving thicker skins.
"Grampa"... Back in the "80's" ???
Frig, I'm getting old...
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- In the shadows of the Rockies
Big bore preferred for heavy game because it's more of a stopper than a small bore. Shot with the .45 game won't go very far, if at all, so reduced chances of your quarry buggering off into the thickets and having to go look for it. And in the unlikely event you have to go look for it there's a good blood trail. From experiences with my 300 WM and 45-70.
And besides, when I first saw the No.1-S 45-70, I just liked it - same as my Lincoln.
And besides, when I first saw the No.1-S 45-70, I just liked it - same as my Lincoln.
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I'll be taking both a 45/70 double rifle and a 300 wm as well as 458 wm on my next bear hunt. If successful early ill devise some bullet catches and compare each at various bear hunting ranges. Just for kicks if my buddy and I both tag out. I don't want to ruin a chance for bear meat but if we get our bears ill shoot all 3 into pails of sand. I know it's not ideal but there's lots of sand up there and pails are cheap. We are back packing this hunt.
Shots will be from various bait sites and across ponds and small clear cuts.
I shoot 180 gr woodliegh ppsn in my 300 wm. Still working up a load so don't have a muzzle velocity yet.
45/70 is both 405 gr bullets in each barrel. One is a hard cast silver alloy wide flat meplate from Oregon trail the other is Remington bulk fnsp at 1550-1600 fps
My 458 wm moves a 400 gr ppsn at 2450 fps
225 yards is basically the max of my hunting area for bears for spot and stalk if I were to not get closer. Some clear cuts provide further shooting that I use when calling wolves but i've never been successful calling bears
Again if we are successful ill do this comparison of hunting loads over planned baits from actual bear stands. I realize its not an apples to apples comparison but since I do use these calibers I'm curious as to how the bullets will hold together
Shots will be from various bait sites and across ponds and small clear cuts.
I shoot 180 gr woodliegh ppsn in my 300 wm. Still working up a load so don't have a muzzle velocity yet.
45/70 is both 405 gr bullets in each barrel. One is a hard cast silver alloy wide flat meplate from Oregon trail the other is Remington bulk fnsp at 1550-1600 fps
My 458 wm moves a 400 gr ppsn at 2450 fps
225 yards is basically the max of my hunting area for bears for spot and stalk if I were to not get closer. Some clear cuts provide further shooting that I use when calling wolves but i've never been successful calling bears
Again if we are successful ill do this comparison of hunting loads over planned baits from actual bear stands. I realize its not an apples to apples comparison but since I do use these calibers I'm curious as to how the bullets will hold together
I dunno...I've shot most of my bigger game (larger than deer) with basically three cartridges: .300WinMag, .375H&H and .45-70. On close range stuff, say under 100 yards, I may agree that the bigger stuff works better...maybe...but if it does (and that's a big "if") I don't think it's a huge difference. And if it does, I think it might be because I tend to shoot for the classic, broadside behind-the-shoulder lung shot with the .300, whereas if I have the bigger guns I like to break a shoulder bone on the way to the vitals and prefer a quartering-to presentation to do it. I'm not one to worry about a few pounds of meat damage; my only consideration is a quick and humane kill.
On deer, I'm dead positive that a .300WM (or a .308Win) kills every bit as fast as a .375 or a .45-70...or a .458WinMag. I'd be curious to hear the opinions of guys who have a lot more experience than I do. From what I've read, some agree and some don't...what a surprise!
If I were to shoot a game animal with a .45-70 at ranges that require the use of a cell-phone/ballistic-app/calculator/protractor/plumb-bob/level/barometer/wind-speed-meter/Ouija-board...or for that matter, if the critter were far enough way that I even needed a rangefinder and/or scope sight...I for sure would wish I had the .300 or .375.
As reasons go, that's more better...
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- In the shadows of the Rockies
^^ Agreed.
The 45-70 with standard speed 405gr loads (1350 fps MV) at close ranges (<< 150 m) kill Deer and Bighorn Sheep just as quickly as high speed small bores. The stopping power of the high speed .45 (and .416) is much more apparent on heavy game. From my experiences.
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- Location
- In the shadows of the Rockies
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chemainus B.C.
Somewhat of a comment on the side
but it's too bad some effort to avoid or bypass the confrontation couldn't have been made. Having to shoot the Moose should've been a last resort measure.
BigUglyMan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- New Scotland
Somewhat of a comment on the side
What a jackass. No clue why that moose would want to walk on the trail when there's neck deep snow right beside it. Feels like it was a setup to me. Who's got their chunk that ready while snowmobiling?
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I've seen that video before; still pisses me off every time I watch it. It's debatable whether or not the shooting actually had become necessary, but I think it's pretty obvious that he pushed that moose way too hard and way too far. After the first approach, when the animal had turned and walked away, why the hell would he then advance on it?
"Who's got their chunk that ready while snowmobiling?" #######s who do #### like this, apparently.
"Who's got their chunk that ready while snowmobiling?" #######s who do #### like this, apparently.
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chemainus B.C.
I spent all but two of my youth school years in a small town in the B.C. central interior where the order of the day was ten months of winter and two months of poor snowmobiling. 
Explains why I never learnt to swim, but that's another story. During the winter, there were a number of times I recall running into Moose under similar circumstances. Some while driving on late winter roads and also on ski or snowshoe trails on scout hikes. Granted, during the latter part of the winter, Mr. Moose was often reluctant to get off of the easy travelling surfaces of ploughed road or snowshoe trails but with a little effort, confrontations were usually fairly easy to avoid.
Explains why I never learnt to swim, but that's another story. During the winter, there were a number of times I recall running into Moose under similar circumstances. Some while driving on late winter roads and also on ski or snowshoe trails on scout hikes. Granted, during the latter part of the winter, Mr. Moose was often reluctant to get off of the easy travelling surfaces of ploughed road or snowshoe trails but with a little effort, confrontations were usually fairly easy to avoid.Haven't seen that one yet. What a $&%ing tool. Did he even go back to make sure it was dead? Or just drive around it and carry on looking for another moose? What a #### head.
