If you're in a small town, CanPar likely has it subbed out to an independant.
Could arrive in a Ford Pinto hatchback.
Would be awesome if I ordered a shotgun, and it took up the whole side of the car.
.45 ACP ammo
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Would be awesome if I ordered a shotgun, and it took up the whole side of the car.
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for the same price i'll shoot jacketed too. My browning HP prefers jacketed bullets over cast. Of my 60+ handguns thats the only one that does. That's a separate point from what you've been saying.
Bullets in rifles where jacketed to permit higher velocities to be obtained with less leading from production ammunition. The military only adopted it for handgun ammunition because they where concerned that lead only handgun ammunition would be interpreted under the Hague conference as being "explosive or designed to produce more severe injury". The first military 9mm ammo was lead, un-jacketed and worked just fine.
At 45 ACP velocities there is NO good reason other then personal preference to shoot jackets, it simply increases the wear on the bore, as the co-efficient of friction of gilding metal on steel is much higher then that of lead on steel. Many bullseye shooters still say that shooting lead never wears out a barrel, it just keeps getting better as the lead polishes it. If you shoot a new smith revolver in 45 it will shoot better with jackets as smith rifling is quite shallow, being optimized for jacketed bullets. That being said, i run soft cast lead in mine and get just as much accuracy and no leading. If i shoot hard cast they will skid and lead like mad.
Fancy European barrels? The glock is rifled as it is because it's cheaper to produce and is designed for military ammunition. For accuracy, tradition rifling is superior, that's why target pistols don't use poly rifling and why there is a huge aftermarket selling glock barrels with normal rifling.
The lead bullet has no issues at all sticking to the polygonal rifling, quite the reverse, rather it sticks and leads up rapidly if not cleaned, as this rifling style is designed for jacketed ammunition and low maintenance by poorly trained personnel. It's not designed to shoot lead, it's designed to squeeze and rotate a heavy copper jacket. Even plated doesn't do well with poly rifling, but it is better, esp the makers who plate heavier then 5-6 thou.
That being said, you can shoot lead
quite well through either a glock or a HK, you just have to clean it more often, in this case every 2-300 rnds, to prevent a high pressure situation due to build up, but even this is not a given, i've known folk who with the right lube and hardness of alloy shot lead through both quite accurately with no problems..
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Wow, really. funny how 98% of all guns made use that old design, including all the newest sniping systems being purchased by the US, England, Canada, France and Germany.
And all bench rest guns use some form of Old Fashioned Rifling....
And all Olympic target firearms....\
really, any firearm designed for accuracy. The only folk who use poly rifling use it on service weapons, or weapons that are marketed primarily for that purpose.
But we digress. If the OP can get jacketed for the cost of lead, get jacketed. Personally i'd by wolf reloaded lead over Norc or Wolf import ammo, it will more likely then not be more accurate...but each to his own. Just down run down what you don't have the background or experience to understand.
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how do you compare rifling in a black powder gun to the rifling thats been used for the last 120 years? The rifling in the muzzle guns was extra deep because if it wasn't the black powder fouling made it impossible to load after 3-4 shots. Thats why rifling was ignored as long as it was by the military. If your really interested, research whitworth rifling that was experimented with in Britian for rifles and artillery around the time of the american civil war. Eary polygonal rifling, but optimized for lead rather then gilding metal.
Modern rifling has been with us since well before the turn of the last century, and has changed only in detail since.
You need a different form/depth to grab a cloth patch over a soft lead ball that has little bearing surface. Try it, I have.
Jacketed bullets have their place, and the modern jacketed hollow point is the best handgun bullet yet evolved for use as a weapon, but it's not more accurate then a correctly made and loaded lead bullet, and it's much more expensive. Unless your shooting people or animals, a cast bullet will do anything you need as well or better. The only pistol i don't shoot lead in would be a HK P7, but only because the gas system will solder itself solid if I do. Same for any gas operated firearm for that matter.
But back to the OP.......if you want jacketed, buy jacketed, but it won't shoot any better out of what your shooting it out of then the cast will. My commander length Norc 45 will hold 2-2.5 inches at 20 yards with DRG 200 gn semi wadcutters all day long with perfect reliability. My last post in this thread....ciao
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for my part, i had 2-3 boxes of Wolf ammo in .45 , and I had quite a few dull rounds, FTFs, and FTEs with them in my 1911. Issues that I did not have with regular factory ammo in the same gun.
I guess thats maybe something to be expected with commercial reloads.
I guess thats maybe something to be expected with commercial reloads.
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Your last post in this thread. Now I can steam out.
So upset or pissed off or what ever over Jacket bullet. It's funny. Love lead - it's OK. It's a free country
. Jacket bullet is evil - Long live Lead Bullet!
