.45 ACP Semi Auto

misfire said:
Do you have a price range in mind? The S&W PC 945 is about 2500 dollars. For that you could have BOTH the Para SSP and Glock 21 and still come ahead. :cool:
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No, at this point in time I haven't. I'm still in the 'shopping mode', trying to get not only a good overview of what's available but also what the opinions and recommendations are. Your point on price is well made and of course, will be a major factor.
 
misfire said:
Do you have a price range in mind? The S&W PC 945 is about 2500 dollars. For that you could have BOTH the Para SSP and Glock 21 and still come ahead. :cool:
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Personally, I'd take a 945 over Para + Glock in a heartbeat. The 945 is an excellent gun, as is anything coming from S&W's Performance Center.
 
Here's the irony... seen lots of guys out at the range with expensive 'custom' guns that can't shoot any better with them than a tuned Norc... :rolleyes:
 
NAA said:
Here's the irony... seen lots of guys out at the range with expensive 'custom' guns that can't shoot any better with them than a tuned Norc... :rolleyes:
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So? Not everyone buys nice guns because they need their inherent accuracy, just like people don't buy Porsches and Ferraris because they need a car that can do over 300 km/h. Many people buy nice guns because they admire the craftsmanship that goes into their manufacture. And there's not much to be admired about the craftsmanship of Norinco workers...
 
capp325 said:
So? Not everyone buys nice guns because they need their inherent accuracy, just like people don't buy Porsches and Ferraris because they need a car that can do over 300 km/h. Many people buy nice guns because they admire the craftsmanship that goes into their manufacture. And there's not much to be admired about the craftsmanship of Norinco workers...
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So, my point is the same guys should've spent less money on the gun & the difference on ammo or reloading & learning how to shoot. Too many guys on the shooting line with expensive toys they can't shoot well.

I'd respect a guy with a well worn tuned Norc that he can handle well & shoot well more than some wannabe with a $3,000 race gun that can't hit s**t at 7 yards. :D

They can, of course, buy what they want/can afford... It just looks funny when a guy with an expensive pistol is at the range & can't shoot it well... ;)
 
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NAA said:
So, my point is the same guys should've spent less money on the gun & the difference on ammo or reloading & learning how to shoot. Too many guys on the shooting line with expensive toys they can't shoot well.

I'd respect a guy with a well worn tuned Norc that he can handle well & shoot well more than some wannabe with a $3,000 race gun that can't hit s**t at 7 yards. :D
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It seems that you didn't get my point. Becoming an expert shot is not the only reason for owning firearms.
 
capp325 said:
It seems that you didn't get my point. Becoming an expert shot is not the only reason for owning firearms.
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No, I got your point... but why bother having them at all if you can't shoot 'em well? :confused:
 
NAA said:
No, I got your point... but why bother having them at all if you can't shoot 'em well? :confused:
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Why own a sports car if the speed limit is 100? Why own a 5000+ sq ft house if you don't need all the space? Why drink expensive single malt scotch when you can get just as drunk drinking Jack Daniels?

If you see guns merely as tools, then you are right, there's no point in getting a super expensive gun if you're a mediocre shot. However, many people see guns as toys – you know, nice things that bring them pleasure and pride of ownership. You don't have to be an IPSC champion to be a gun collector.
 
capp325, I agree the S&W PC 945 is one fine piece of working art. I got to handle one at a local shop...:cool:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98730

NAA, I don't have a problem with people buying expensive toys who can't shoot them well. What I find laughable is that some people with expensive guns blame the gun because they can't shoot well. I usually tell them that they're right and that their gun is a POS and that I'd give them a hundred bucks for it. No takers, yet..:rolleyes:
 
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capp325 said:
If you see guns merely as tools, then you are right, there's no point in getting a super expensive gun if you're a mediocre shot. However, many people see guns as toys – you know, nice things that bring them pleasure and pride of ownership. You don't have to be an IPSC champion to be a gun collector.
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Personally, I've got no problem with it... ;)

Just as long as they understand how stupid they look at the range with their expensive toy & a 7 yard target that looks like a 75 yard shotgun pattern... :p
 
Gee here I thought my guns were anything but toys. Tools yes, toys well hardly Pride of ownership is one thing but paying $3,500 for a "toy" you can't shoot worth poop just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me but I can see why it would be attractive to some. If all you want to do is make a loud noise though, why not buy expensive firecrackers!

A well tuned Nork like any well tuned gun will shoot better than most shooters can manage in any event. Buy your $3,500 1911 if you want but one thing I doubt you are getting is more practical functionality. I assume the primary function of a firearm is to discharge a bullet reliably and hit the target the sights are aiming at. This you can get for a lot less than $3,500. If you couldn't I would buy the $3,500 gun in a heart beat.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Gee here I thought my guns were anything but toys. Tools yes, toys well hardly Pride of ownership is one thing but paying $3,500 for a "toy" you can't shoot worth poop just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me but I can see why it would be attractive to some. If all you want to do is make a loud noise though, why not buy expensive firecrackers!

A well tuned Nork like any well tuned gun will shoot better than most shooters can manage in any event. Buy your $3,500 1911 if you want but one thing I doubt you are getting is more practical functionality. I assume the primary function of a firearm is to discharge a bullet reliably and hit the target the sights are aiming at. This you can get for a lot less than $3,500. If you couldn't I would buy the $3,500 gun in a heart beat.

Take Care

Bob
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Like the saying goes, to each their own. Personally, I think that dropping $1000-1500 (plus the cost of the gun) to build a "custom" Norinco is about the dumbest thing one can do. For that kind of money, you can get a quality factory 1911 that will be just as accurate, have better fit and finish, and a reasonable resale value (unlike a $1500 Norinco, which can be resold for $500 tops). However, some people want a "one of a kind pistol", even if it says Made in China on it, so more power to them. Anything that helps to keep the gunsmiths in business is a good thing in my opinion.
 
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Just as long as they understand how stupid they look at the range with their expensive toy & a 7 yard target that looks like a 75 yard shotgun pattern... :p
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LOL, we ain't supposta be looking at them targets. We supposta be geegawing the gun.....in a chorus, now, aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh, ooooohhhh.:rolleyes: :p ;)
 
capp325 said:
. Many people buy nice guns because they admire the craftsmanship that goes into their manufacture. And there's not much to be admired about the craftsmanship of Norinco workers...
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:D :D :D That is funny.

True...so true, and yes I own one.
 
I can't believe no one has mentioned Springfield 1911's yet! They're the best. I've got a few of them, and they're great right out of the box. For what you spend, you can't beat them! I reccommend them over any other 1911 out there. I've shot quite a few 1911's, and IMHO they're the best.
Seriously consider them .
 
capp325 said:
Like the saying goes, to each their own. Personally, I think that dropping $1000-1500 (plus the cost of the gun) to build a "custom" Norinco is about the dumbest thing one can do. For that kind of money, you can get a quality factory 1911 that will be just as accurate, have better fit and finish, and a reasonable resale value (unlike a $1500 Norinco, which can be resold for $500 tops). However, some people want a "one of a kind pistol", even if it says Made in China on it, so more power to them. Anything that helps to keep the gunsmiths in business is a good thing in my opinion.
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I do have to concede that you've made a good point here... ;)
 
capp325

I certainly agree with you on the Norinco. That said when I did mine I wanted to have an accurate, reliable shooter to play the games with. A gun that would withstand a significant amount of practice rounds, draws and holster time. In short a workhorse. By doing the work I did on the Nork I achieved my objective. Nobody that I am aware of makes a 1911 out of better steel than resides in a Norinco and few make a basic gun without firing pin safeties and the like with all forged parts. What I have is a fully customized 1911 with a 4lb. trigger pull, long trigger, Heinie sights and a custom fitted match grade barrel & bushing. Total in to the gun is just a shy less than $1,000.

Only downside is I can't shoot it in U.S. matches as it won't be able to cross the border. My Para SSP will go with me when I go south.

Will I ever get my money back out of the Nork....nope. But then I have no intention of selling it either so the question is moot.

If I had to do it all over again I would have just bought the Para and likely have changed sights for a different look. The gun shoots with the Norinco and that is saying something.

Take Care

Bob
 
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When I started this thread, I never thought it would get this long a run and this much input. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. I've had a number of match quality handguns including a couple of custom .45's. One of the best target guns I've had was a Walther GSP, .22 with .32 conversion. Shot like a dream but was 'uglier than a mud fence'!! Anyway, lately I've been entertaining thoughts of getting a 'good' .45 ACP and a 'good' 9mm. As its been a while since I've had anything along that line and with technology 'marching on', I thought I'd best do some asking & shopping first to see what's now available. I guess perhaps I should've added, my intent is to 'pick up' and shoot ball ammo, not to reload for it. I don't want to chase brass, I'll 'leave it for seed'. The reason I initially mentioned a Performance Center 945-1, is I saw one and in addition to seeming to be of high quality, it 'looked' interesting.:D With my intent to use ball ammo, there undoubtedly more 'appropiate' choices, thats why I'm still in a shopping mode and as such, I appreciate your comments. All of them.:)
 
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