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This seems like a redundant statement bashing spending $3500 for a quality 1911 while gloryfing norinco. Some people can't stand norincos and they buy the said $3500 1911 if they have funds to do so.

Thats why they make BMW and KIA. Get what you want/need can afford but stop preaching because somebody bought a BIMMER and you drive a KIA they both take you from point A to Point B. So what's your point?
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Interestingly you missed two other Para inovations for the 1911:

Ramped Barrel
Double Stack Widebody Frame

along with the LDA trigger and new Power Extractor you mentioned. The latter maybe the most significant improvement in design of the 1911 ever.

Not bad for a Canadian gun company that has managed to grab about 11% of the retail market from a country that for the last 15 years ahs been anything but gun friendly.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Interestingly you missed two other Para inovations for the 1911:

Ramped Barrel
Double Stack Widebody Frame

along with the LDA trigger and new Power Extractor you mentioned. The latter maybe the most significant improvement in design of the 1911 ever.

Not bad for a Canadian gun company that has managed to grab about 11% of the retail market from a country that for the last 15 years ahs been anything but gun friendly.

Take Care

Bob

Bob;
A couple of quick questions. What would your evaluation of the Para be, say on a 1 - 10 scale? And are they available in a 'Commander' size?
 
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Hi John

I have experience with two of their models. I sold my son my P-14 LTD. I had about 1,000 rds through it without any problems at all. Gun is very accurate, Fit and finish was excellent. I now shoot a Para SSP and it to has been flawless. Very accurate and the new power estractor is huge and works! Both guns fed every type of bullet I loaded from 185 gr SWC to 230 grain ball. I have also shot 250 gr Cowboy bullets in the Para and they fed without hic up.

Para uses what they call Para Kote finish. It stands up well but like any other finish does show holster wear. Both guns were tight and remain so.

I rate both at a 10 as they function perfectly, are accurate, and appear to be well made. Both guns now have over 5,000 rounds through them.

Para makes a LTC which is their Commander size gun in single stack. You might want to look at their website as they have various models in this size with S/A and LTD triggers.

I have no experience with the LDA trigger though guys who have them report favourably. Trigger is very smooth, very much like a D/A revolver trigger.

Para pistols have a lifetime warranty and Para stands behind this warranty. Being a smaller player they have to do things like service very well to attract buyers and they seem to have it right.

For a production pistol I rate Paras on par with any production gun out there. You can pay more for the same level of gun but you won't be getting more gun IMHO.

I customized a Norinco Commander but had Para had their LTC out when I did up the NOrk I would have just bought the LTC.

Colt Canada lists the Para for sale on their website. Says something about Para's I think. Colt needed a double stack for military sales and they chose Para.

I hope this is of help.

Take Care

Bob
 
Bob;
Thanks for the info and your 'take' on the Para. I should've checked their website before now but I thought I'd see what turned up on this thread before I get into any indepth look. Thanks again, much appreciated.:)
 
I have a Para LTC with alloy frame. Nice and tight, accurate and reliable. Much less expensive than a Kimber and they make a 'true' commander with 4.25"...I hate protruding barrels to make 'legal' in Canada.
 
I have a Kimber Desert Warrior. It is truly an awsome pistol. I would buy it again no question. I also have a Para LTC, nice gun too.
I was never a 1911 fan until I bought the LTC. Then I bought the Warrior.
Now I'm getting a Raptor.
 
NAA said:
Here's the irony... seen lots of guys out at the range with expensive 'custom' guns that can't shoot any better with them than a tuned Norc... :rolleyes:
That's like saying why buy a BMW 330 coupe if you can't drive it better than a civic. Well, at the end of the day, YOU'RE STILL ONLY DRIVING A CIVIC.

Personnaly i dont like cheap ####, but if you do, please suit yourself.
 
"Personnaly i dont like cheap s**t, but if you do, please suit yourself."


The Canuck, I do not consider either of my Norinco 1911A1 pistols to be cheap #### but rather an incredibly accurate pistols at a to die for price. Years ago my #1 'rinco was still stock and I was looking for a handgun to use at bowling pin shoots. Every time I mentioned my quandary, a friend said: "shoot the Norinco!" A match barrel bushing is all most stock 'rincos need to shoot with the big boys. Regards, Richard:D
 
Hey Richard, if it allows you to enjoy shooting, then great! But to each his own. So to say(NAA did, not you) that high dollar pistols are not necessary and everyone should have a rinco because, hey, they're not going to shoot any better just isnt right.

Like someone else said, sometimes, there's more than just performance and accuracy. And the rinco's i've seen arent exactly prime examples of fit, finish and craftmanship. Also, when you buy a Para or a Kimber or a Wilson Combat, you're pretty much good to go as is, you dont have to modify it.

Also, it's a personnal choice of mine not to buy products from a company that belongs to the chinese government. But like i said, if it gets someone into the sport, great for them.
 
TheCanuck said:
That's like saying why buy a BMW 330 coupe if you can't drive it better than a civic. Well, at the end of the day, YOU'RE STILL ONLY DRIVING A CIVIC.

Personnaly i dont like cheap s**t, but if you do, please suit yourself.

It really doesn't matter...if someone wants to buy a custom or semi-custom, all the power to them. Buy a custom or semi-custom because you want one/can appreciate one. Some customs or semi-customs are working pieces of art. :) I really wanted a Clarke Custom that was at a local shop. The fit and finish were superb. Although, I appreciated the craftsmanship the gun exhibited, I didn't think I'd shoot any better with than my Sig, Para or Glock and decided against buying it.

As for your BMW 330 analogy....Am I safe assume that you'd rather drive poorly in a BMW than drive well in a Civic? :p
 
"Also, it's a personnal choice of mine not to buy products from a company that belongs to the chinese government. But like i said, if it gets someone into the sport, great for them."

That statement is laughable! Do you make the distiction when buying your running shoes? How about buying a RCBS press (the Casting come from China), Been to Wal-Mart lately? Do you have kids? Take all their cloths off that come from the sweat shops of China and elsewhere and your children would be naked in short order.

I like my semi-custom production gunas as much as my plain Jane Norinco. Just use them for different aspects of shooting.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
"Also, it's a personnal choice of mine not to buy products from a company that belongs to the chinese government. But like i said, if it gets someone into the sport, great for them."

That statement is laughable! Do you make the distiction when buying your running shoes? How about buying a RCBS press (the Casting come from China), Been to Wal-Mart lately? Do you have kids? Take all their cloths off that come from the sweat shops of China and elsewhere and your children would be naked in short order.

I like my semi-custom production gunas as much as my plain Jane Norinco. Just use them for different aspects of shooting.

Take Care

Bob
I dont have a press. I dont go to Walmart, EVER. No, i dont have kids. Yes i try to buy consciously. Also, i didnt say i would never ever buy anything that came out of china, that's pretty much impossible. I said i would not buy something from a company that belongs to the chinese GOVERNMENT.

China keeps ####ing us out of jobs with ultra cheap labor.Same with Mexico.Keep buying their products and pretty soon, we wont have any manufacturing jobs left.
 
TheCanuck said:
I dont have a press. I dont go to Walmart, EVER. No, i dont have kids. Yes i try to buy consciously. Also, i didnt say i would never ever buy anything that came out of china, that's pretty much impossible. I said i would not buy something from a company that belongs to the chinese GOVERNMENT.

China keeps f**king us out of jobs with ultra cheap labor.Same with Mexico.Keep buying their products and pretty soon, we wont have any manufacturing jobs left.
There are certain merits about economic protection and personal moral issues. Certainly, we'd ideally want our own country's economy to grow. However, one has to look at how the country grows and how to make use of other countries to benefit us. Some countries put in place legislation to insure the economy of their country is protected from cheaper production costing of the far east. As an example, even your regular box of 100 ballpoint pens that one might find in Germany, is actually made in Germany not China...however it depends on whether the people are willing to pay for it.

The term, wanting to have the cake and eat it too(Marie Antoinette, yes a bit of an awkward paradox) comes to mind...and is very Canadian of the moment. We seem to want to only pay a certain price but expect the quality to be high. Meanwhile, we also expect our salaries and benefits to be equaling as high. So really, can you compete? Actually yes...but it goes with change of economy. It wasn't too long ago that Canada was largely a first sector economy of raw materials and resources, but gradually, we've changed to more and more second and third(services). Our goal should be about increase in expertise/knowledge and ultimately wealth rather than trying to sustain on dying resources. Britain(maybe a bad example given how cuckoo they've been acting) survives today because of their financial advising/consulting/investing and not on things like coal production.

So we as a society have to find that balance. Do we want to sustain jobs in certain areas, and either accept lower wages to compete with foreign imports or willing to pay extra for that domestic equivalent product? Or do we try to adapt and better ourselves in something else?

So, not buying from China is one thing. Quality wise, China is pretty much down to you get what you pay for with no name dropping BS. China's heavy industries has steadily improved and their metals works are very high quality these days. Norinco however is a government company, today however, not all companies are government controlled.

PS-your cellphone is likely either made in China, Korea or Taiwan...
 
My cell phone is a siemens, wherever they are made. My point was, we basically have no more first sector. Think of the textile industry that has been dying in the last decade. Everything comes from afar nowadays. But we are also losing second sector jobs, like BRP, who shipped production of their ATVs and other toys to Mexico.At what point do we say enough is enough?

Another issue we could look at crop picking. Any mexicans, Indians or people from other regions of the world picking crops in your area?There are here. Farmers hire them because they get to only pay them 3.50$/h while the government subsidizes each worker for an additional 7 or 8$ an hour.Why subsidize aliens that will send that money back to their country?Why not subsidize canadians?10-11$/h isnt shabby for a student working summers or someone on welfare living off of the rest of Canada's income tax.

At one poitn we have to say "I vote with my wallet, and I'm not going to buy that ATV from BRP, and I'm not going to buy that 'rinco and Versapod." It's not like we dont have anyone in Canada offering that service either. We have Dlask and Para-Ord that produce some very fine 1911's right here in Canada, and worksmanship and fit and finish is miles ahead of what Norinco produces
 
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