I have used a few thousand of the 200 grain. Fine stuff - 4 grains Clays @ 1.22 IIRC is a sweet load. Have not tried the 230 grain ones yet - my next trip to the Hammer I will probably pick up a box. I shoot PPC at 25 yards and they are more accurate than I. Benched they did very well at 25 yards as well ~3" group - with a slow load. I do find that 45 ACP is more accurate at the upper limit of speed - so they will probably due better is pushed harder.