45 Colt Cowboy LRN for home defense?

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I have been shooting these 300 grain LRN's at 900 fps in my Super Redhawk.

They are a pleasure to shoot and very accurate with little muzzle flash or recoil.

Are they a better choice than my .357 mag (monstrous muzzle flash in the dark :( ) with 125 gr JHP or my 9mm with ball for defense against 2 legged antisocials?

I have a 12 ga pump with an M3 light as the primary so spare me the "Use a shotgun line".
 
Just my opinion, but what is up with all these threads regarding a home defense cartridge. :confused:

If your pistols and revolvers are stored legally, there is no time to get ahold of one in time for home defense unless someone calls and tells you he is coming over to kill you in five minutes, and even then, you would still be charged with multiple firearms offences.

Be realistic, gentleman, we live in Canada.:mad:
 
WildWildWest said:
Just my opinion, but what is up with all these threads regarding a home defense cartridge. :confused:

If your pistols and revolvers are stored legally, there is no time to get ahold of one in time for home defense unless someone calls and tells you he is coming over to kill you in five minutes, and even then, you would still be charged with multiple firearms offences.

Be realistic, gentleman, we live in Canada.:mad:
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I totally disagree... if one needed a legally owned handgun for self defense in a situation where it was legally justified you can certainly put a loaded mag & rack the slide or stuff a charged speed loader into a wheelgun cylinder pretty quick. Same goes for getting one up the pipe in a scattergun. ;)

Hey, you're not one of those "sheeple" are you Wild West? :confused:
 
Given those choices I would say use the 9mm JHP, But i would opt for 115grain jhp(speergdhp). Mainly because that 300 grain would keep on going.. and round nose does not have the terminal effect of say a swc.
 
SELF-DEFENCE AGAINST UNPROVOKED ASSAULT
... / Extent of justification.
34. (1) Every who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.

(2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if

(a) he causes it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and
(b) he believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm. [R.S. c.C-34, s.34.]
 
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NAA said:
... if one needed a legally owned handgun for self defense in a situation where it was legally justified ;)

Hey, you're not one of those "sheeple" are you Wild West? :confused:
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Yeah, I'm a sheeple.:rolleyes:

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A sheeple that has no problem with safe storage laws (except when we're made to be the criminals by the media because they are not clear). A sheeple who has children. And a sheeple who owns five handguns and a 12 gauge, not including the hunting rifles (4), all of which would do no good during a home invasion because they're locked in a safe in my basement. Which happens to be a significant distance from my bed. I guess if my dog licked them to distraction and jumped up and down enough, I may have time to get to the safe, open it and if I kept charged mags, get my hands on a .45, 9mm or something that holds alot of ammunition.

It doesn't change the fact that you would be in a world of legal hurt using a handgun for self defense when a baseball bat will do the job. If they're coming to steal your guns, it's unlikely they have one.

It's all moot in Canada. Difficult to find a "legally owned handgun for self defense in a situation where it is legally justified".:confused:

In reality, the best defense cartridge may as well be a .22lr. 10 rounds could do enough damage in a very short period of time. Better to wound than kill in this country if you don't want to end up in jail.

Besides, storage requirements on non-restricted are more lenient. Why discuss handgun loads for defense when it can't be used legally in Canada. Better to have the twelve gauge handy. It would be much easier to explain than why you have a readily accessible handgun.
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Anyway, continue your discussion of best cartridge for "illegal" home defense. By the way, when people here quote use of force laws, a little research would help - maybe sight some actual cases where an individual was NOT prosecuted in Canada when the gun was "discharged" at or into the intruder - if you can find one.
 
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Count me in as a sheeple. I wouldn't use my handgun in defence. It's stored properly and hidden away. Besides I'd be worried where the bullets would go. I'd take my chances with a golf club or a baseball bat. That's just me though.
 
Ahh, WildWildWest, I see you're in the "better carried by six than judged by twelve camp". Would you rather go to prison, or bury your children comfortable in the knowledge that you obeyed the law? If an armed intruder were in your house intent on hurting your family, would you really hesitate to consider the laws governing your actions? If so, yes, you ARE a sheeple. My handgun is in my safe next to its loaded mags. The safe has a digital lock. This storage is completely legal, but I could have my gun in hand in, say, 30 seconds or less from waking up to a "bump in the night". If I found myself needing an effective means to defend myself, I wouldn't be searching for the most politically correct (Inuit carving, anyone?) I would be going for my gun, and wishing I'd kept it under my mattress.
 
In reality, the best defense cartridge may as well be a .22lr. 10 rounds could do enough damage in a very short period of time. Better to wound than kill in this country if you don't want to end up in jail.


What a load of crap this is! First and foremost of your life is truly in danger justifying the use of a weapon you want to end that threat and the way you do that is by shooting to kill. Secondly, why would you ever want to have to face to stories when one is suffice.

During my career as a banker I and others went through a period in the early 1970's when were exposed to home invasions for the purposed of holding our families as hostages. Edmonton as a matter of fact. Several ugly incidents took place over this time period. In fact it got to the point where the Banks asked the Edmonton Journal not to publish the events as it was encouraging copy cat incidents. They were kind enough to comply.

Our instructions were at the time to vary our drive to work. Our wives were told to phone the police if there was a car outside our home for longer than 20 minutes that she did not recognize. A sargent in the Edmonton City Police told me if I ever used my gun to defend myself in my home to shoot to kill and make sure the largest knife I could find was in the BG's hand before the police arrived. All he ever wanted to hear was my side of the story.

You keep all your guns locked up in your safe if you want to but frankly I won't and don't. One is always available.

You are right this is Canada! A country where our crime rates are significantly higher than the US and we sit back on our arses and crow about not wanting to be like Americans. Well when it comes to crime rates I'd rather swtich.

12 years of Federal Liberals and we all of a sudden don't have a right to protect ourselves. Give me a break! I suspect you are also in favour of requiring citizens to have a POL/PAL to buy ammo as well. God forbid an "untrained" individual should buy ammo.

Stay Safe
 
We have no kids left at home and if I want to lay in bed and polish a handgun, secure in the fact our gov't will protect me I should not be afraid to go and see what the cat knocked over at 3am with that polished gun in hand.. If by chance some misguided person is in my house, at 3am he has put himself{or herself} in a hazardous position and will be offered every option,, f#$k off quickly or take a chance of bleeding on our new carpet cause,, just cause its my house, my wife and my cat and you should not be here!!! Your mother will tell the papers "He was a good boy and was turning his life around" F#$K OFF
 
I agree with the guy with the German shepards my two heelers would give me time to unlock & load. :D
45 long colt is my choice.
They got combiation trigger locks that drop off fast. :cool:
 
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"Anyway, continue your discussion of best cartridge for "illegal" home defense. By the way, when people here quote use of force laws, a little research would help - maybe sight some actual cases where an individual was NOT prosecuted in Canada when the gun was "discharged" at or into the intruder - if you can find one."

These cases have been discussed on this board. Yes, most were prosecuted, and most were exonerated.
But in all cases of self defence, the victim was still alive.
 
Being charged is just one way the judicial system can ensure you are obsolved from the action you took. Being charged is one thing being found guilty of an offense is quite another. That is as it should be. It is not for the police or the Crown prosecuter to determine guilt or innocence - that is for a court to decide.

Sat on a jury and was selected jury foreman on an attempted murder trial. We found the lady "not guilty". Blew a guys arm off with a 12 gauge shotgun.

If you want my advice - if you are truly innocent chose trail by Judge alone. You will be judged under the law and not by someone who may or may not like guns.

Stay Safe
 
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Well from my experience I have to say yes. The case I was on the judge went out of his way to explain what consitutes self defense and the rights an individual has within the confines of his/her home. I should also add the lady in question and her husband were drug dealers and the native broke into their home at 2:00 a.m. and held a knife to her husbands throat demanding money and drugs. She grabbed a Mossberg 12 gauge and shoved it under her husbands arm and pulled the trigger blowing the natives right arm off at the elbow. She was charged with attempted murder, dangerous use of a firearm, and two other charges that escape me now. She was found not guilt on all four accounts and the judge, from his body language was in complete concurrence with our findings.

Initially one of the jurors, an older lady, wanted to find her guilty because she didn't like guns. Hence my opinion that I would rather deal with a judge only as opposed to a jury if I was innocent.

Interestingly a doctor testified that you would not bleed to death by having your arm shot off. Apparently your body will, as your blood pressure drops from loss of blood seal off the leaking blood vessels. I wouldn't want to test this out but that was his testimony.

Stay Safe
 
Had a chance to poke questions at a lawyer,on defending ones self, and after it was all over , you can use deadly force if you and or your family is in danger of them or you ending up dead.
This would be indoors and no finishing shots on the lawn. The danger goes away you must not shoot.
Firearm of choice , a bird gun , since its storage is different than a pistol, and better accepted in court.
Then you have to be certain gun fire was the last resort.
Having said that , anyone with a firearm or knife, in your home , with intent to kill, is all that is needed to justify your actions.
Play safe, keep those guns away from anyone you don't want to have access , and all is well.
My 2 cents , but always check with local law enforcement if any confusion exists.
Frank
 
Levi Garrett

That was the essence of what the Judge told us and also the message I got from the Edmonton City Police Seargent (retired now). The one thing that rang true is you sure don't ever want to shoot with the purpose wounding. That kind of thinking will get you killed. If you point a gun at an individual you better be prepared to destroy that individual your life will depend on it.

Stay Safe
 
To get to the original question, LRN's are downright ####ty in thier ability to incapacitate. Energy transfer is what is neeeded as well as wide wound channels. Pick a JHP from a 9mm,.357,45acp etc.JMHO. As for shooting a meth head ####bag in my house? The same burden of proof that applies to a police officer applies to all of us,a good shoot is a good shoot and a bad one is a bad one.
 
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