450 marlin or 45-70

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I am looking at a marlin lever action. At first I had the 1895G 45-70 but had a gunshop owner suggest a 450 marlin. Now I dont know if he was just saying this to try and convince me to buy a gun he had on the shelf. So to Gun Nutz I go! What are the differences? I will be reloading, and using it for deer/bear/moose. Any difference in effective range?

Thanks!
Evan
 
If reloading, the 45/70 is the one for you. Good handloads in the 45-70 will do everything the .450 will do.

There are lots of threads here on this subject allready, just have a look through some of the posts and you will find all the info you need.
 
I am with Davey

The 450 is for non-reloaders. There are so many old 45-70's out their that factory ammo is pretty tame.

Not an expert, but I don't think there is any real life difference between the two.

But 45-70 is such a classy round.
 
all you need is components dies , brass etc, and the .450 is no different than the 45/70 , i have had a .450 sold it , if i do it again 45/70, cheaper brass etc, no difference in preformance if you load,
 
BIGREDD said:
I would buy the 450 marlin... reloading is the same cost and the data is consistent and up to date.
Factory loads are better for the 450.
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"Reloading is the same cost and the data is consistent and up to date". I am terribly sorry but what the H does that mean?
 
45-70 is the way to go if you reload. You can match or better the .450 ammo. The trouble with loading the .450 is avalibility of brass. the 45-70 has been around forever and brass is easily had and will be well into the next century. I doubt that will be true of the .450 Just my $0.02
 
Win/64 said:
"Reloading is the same cost and the data is consistent and up to date". I am terribly sorry but what the H does that mean?
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It means that the brass and other reloading components for the .450 and the 45-70 are the same cost.

And that the data for the .45-70 is either Trapdoor model data ... or data that is worked up specifically for modern rifles. The Data for the .450 Marlin has no such inconsistencies...:eek:
I don't understand your confusion.:confused:
 
I own and reload for the .450marlin. if I was NOT a reloader I would buy the .450.

If I had to do it again, as a reloader now (wasn;t when i purchased my .450) I would buy the .45-70

Brass is cheaper and easier to find
both, in a marlin, can be loaded to IDENTICAL power


both are excellent caliber. nothing on this continent a 350gr FN @ 2150fps can;t stop.
 
case capacity is about the same, slight edge in the 45-70's favour. If you handload, you'll have an easier time finding brass and data for the 45-70. All the load manuals I have list 2 or 3 power and pressure leves for the 45-70.

Still, all the 450 is is a 45-70 with a belt. For all intents and purposes, they're the same thing.
 
BIGREDD said:
It means that the brass and other reloading components for the .450 and the 45-70 are the same cost.
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They might be the same cost but 45/70 brass is much easier to come by. Much easier to find once fired brass as well.

BIGREDD said:
And that the data for the .45-70 is either Trapdoor model data ... or data that is worked up specifically for modern rifles. The Data for the .450 Marlin has no such inconsistencies...
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Most modern loading manuals have a section for trapdoor models and a section for modern rifles. Not hard to figure out for anyone who can read.

I think REDD is just arguing his modern is better point again. Just looking to stir the pot again REDD ;) :D
 
crazy_davey said:
They might be the same cost but 45/70 brass is much easier to come by. Much easier to find once fired brass as well.



Most modern loading manuals have a section for trapdoor models and a section for modern rifles. Not hard to figure out for anyone who can read.

I think REDD is just arguing his modern is better point again. Just looking to stir the pot again REDD ;) :D
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Not at all Davey... I have shot both... and I like both and I have friends that own and load for each rifle. Just pointing out an inconsistency that while obvious to you and I... may not be for a new or uninformed shooter that may be reading this thread.;)
The only reason I would choose the .450 is the availability of max load factory ammo. I would likely reload for it anyway but it is nice to have the option.:redface:

P.S. which manuals have both the Trapdoor and modern data for the 45-70... my buddy would appreciate the info.:cool:
 
Given that lever action rifles were designed to function with rimmed cartridges, I'd prefer the big rim of the .45-70 for the extractor to grab. I'm sure the .450 enthusiasts will argue that their rifles are reliable, but I think the .45-70 has the edge in dependability.
 
BIGREDD said:
P.S. which manuals have both the Trapdoor and modern data for the 45-70... my buddy would appreciate the info.:cool:
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Pretty much all of then. Off the top of my head, the following manuals that I own have two (or even three) sets of data for the 45-70: Hodgdon annual 2006, Hornady #6 and #7, Sierra #5, Speer #13, Nosler #5.
 
prosper said:
Pretty much all of then. Off the top of my head, the following manuals that I own have two (or even three) sets of data for the 45-70: Hodgdon annual 2006, Hornady #6 and #7, Sierra #5, Speer #13, Nosler #5.
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The Lyman book also has 45/70 data for the different actions.
Cat
 
prosper said:
Pretty much all of then. Off the top of my head, the following manuals that I own have two (or even three) sets of data for the 45-70: Hodgdon annual 2006, Hornady #6 and #7, Sierra #5, Speer #13, Nosler #5.
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Thanks prosper! I wont send ya that PM after all REDD.
 
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