458 Claims Another Action Wrench.............

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Well I decided to continue on my 458 Ruger project yesterday, now that I have built a 1000 lb welding table with an 8" vise mounted on it. Having a proper place to mount my barrel vice now, I thought I'd have another go at it. Got everything all mounted up and tightened up and gave it a good pull but nothing moving. Put my new propane torch together and put some heat to the receiver ring, still no movement.......#2 son shows up in my shop so I got him to hold the torch and play the heat around the receiver while I leaned on the swing bar.......no joy, so I got a piece of pipe to lengthen my purchase on the swing bar out to about 3 feet. Got some good leverage now and the receiver is starting to get nice and warm.........I am using the upswing side as I can pull more than I can push, if ya'll know what I mean........anyway things are warming up nicely so I get a really good grip and give 'er a good up snap on the bar and SNICK she breaks loose, or so I thought.... WRONG!!!!! All I did was break the butterfly off another action wrench. HHHHMMMMMMM..............Threw the swing bar on the floor, got on my tractor and went over and demolished the old donkey barn..........I feel a little better now. Had a great fire yesterday afternoon and watched the old donkey barn disappear, as well as the neighbors old deck wood, on my burn pile.

Welding shop in town has 4340 bar stock so I guess I'll go get some and make myself another action wrench........This project is really starting to pi$$ me off...........
 
I find a shorter wrench clamped on the receiver and hit with a 2 pound hammer has more 'shock' value in breaking an action loose than a long wrench and leverage.

That being said I recently broke an action loose with a long bar and leverage with the trigger assembly still attached to the action (Timney trigger in a 700)... when it broke loose it did with such velocity/shock the aluminum trigger snapped off at the pivot pin hole.
 
You guys are braver than me, thats for sure. If they don't pop loose for me within my comfort zone, they are getting a relief groove cut. I'm chicken to go heavy duty on them.
 
Yep Dennis, if it ain't one thing it's another............Bevan has said he's had good luck occasionally with an outside wrench on 700s and using a 1/4" hard Allen head cap screw in the forward action screw hole, with the head tightened up to the receiver bottom good and tight. And then like you said, just give it a good whack with something heavy and it breaks loose Locktite or not. I'm going to be looking at my outside action wrenches this aft with an eye for doing something along these lines. I can't just keep twisting off inside wrenches, I have no more donkey barns..........:):)
 
BigUglyMan said:
Just mill some flats on the side of the action. It'll give your wrench better purchase for the next go round.
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Yep BUM, then I could just use my 36" Crescent wrench..........wont break that f**ker off............You always come up with such helpful hints...........:rolleyes::rolleyes:

OR I could just weld the outside wrench onto the action and grind it off after I get it off the barrel...............
 
Yer nawt per say................... well gitt'in pizzie arr yah now?

Back in the day when tightening big pipe flanges, we did the hammer wrench thing.
That shock thing as mentioned up above sometimes does the trick.
When using heat, I've found sqwerting thread loosing chit on there after the torch
is pulled away.
Repeat as the heat draws the fluid in.
Butt, ya knew this.
 
When I try to loosen things I use the BFH and I go and read the effin manual.
I am sure Douglas will get it done before his horses are homless.
Pictures would be nice, just to show us how serious you are ;)
Tight Barrels.. I mean Groups,
Rob
 
put the action in the vise instead, heat up the barrel and bend it 90 degrees so your purchase fits over the barrel, then unscrew the barrel from the action versus the action from the barrel....................
 
The wrench that Brownells sells with different adapters that clamps around the action works much better than the butterfly spud for removing tight barrels. I have loosened many tight barrels by using a 2 foot piece of pipe over the handle of this wrench and just leaning my 250 lbs on it. The butterfly spud wrenches are great for putting tightening them up but they flex too much under heavy torque and then guess what happens.

Casey
 
yodave said:
put the action in the vise instead, heat up the barrel and bend it 90 degrees so your purchase fits over the barrel, then unscrew the barrel from the action versus the action from the barrel....................
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And when the snipie pipie hits dah floor, den whut?
Best we play NICE or Douglas izz gonna tern potty mouth and end up in the
dawg house, iff'n he ain't bernt it tew the earth.

Gaaad, tuh be a fly awn the wall...............huh?
 
hawk-i said:
here's a link on frozen barrel removal http://www.mausercentral.com/barrelremove.htm
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98s are a breeze and I have never been stumped by one of them. I have the proper 98 action wrench and it works 100%. The flat bottom action and integral recoil lug make getting a grip on the action a no brainer...........700s are another kettle of fish, but this is the first one in probably 50 or so that has given me this much grief.
 
Here's another idea...they said it works every time....

Strip the gun. Remove the two screws in the front of the action for the scope base. Secure the barrel in a barrel vise. For this operation we use a full length action wrench that is inserted into the bolt pathway instead of one that wraps around the front of the action.

Heat SLOWLY with an oxy/acet. torch. Heat until the thread locker/locktite liquifies and bubbles out of the scope base holes in the front. Slowly apply pressure until the action frees. Don't jerk the action wrench or hit it with a hammer. This will damage the action.

This is the best way we've found to remove Remington factory barrels from receivers. For all other barreling operations with the Remingtons, we use the standard action wrench you can buy from Brownells.
 
hawk-i said:
Here's another idea...they said it works every time....

Strip the gun. Remove the two screws in the front of the action for the scope base. Secure the barrel in a barrel vise. For this operation we use a full length action wrench that is inserted into the bolt pathway instead of one that wraps around the front of the action.

Heat SLOWLY with an oxy/acet. torch. Heat until the thread locker/locktite liquifies and bubbles out of the scope base holes in the front. Slowly apply pressure until the action frees. Don't jerk the action wrench or hit it with a hammer. This will damage the action.

This is the best way we've found to remove Remington factory barrels from receivers. For all other barreling operations with the Remingtons, we use the standard action wrench you can buy from Brownells.
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Did exactly that yesterday Hawk-I, and to no avail......had the kid on the torch while I applied pressure........nada, then I gave it a little heave ho and snapped the butterfly off the internal wrench.........yes it was a full length wrench that protruded from the back of the action. This barreled action already accounted for one of those little "in through the magazine" action wrenches a few months back...........this one was the heavy duty model, but apparently not heavy duty enough.

Just got back from town and welding/machine shop does NOT have any 4340..........only 4140, nor do they have any other high quality tool steel...........HOOPED for right now !!!
 
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