4th CAN

I agree that unit affiliation & pride would be at the forefront of thought when carving, but I think Shelldrake has it right with the 4th Canadian MG Coy.

If he was with the 4th Battalion, he likely would have carved '4th Btn' or 'C underscore 4' or '4th Btn CEF'

The 4th Canadian Machinegun Company looks to abreviated quite a bit to '4th Can'

Added thought: Who else would have the lion's share of experienced gunners who could opperate captured equipment (as they likely did)?
 
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4th Bn CEF would make the most sense.

If it was the 4th Bn CEF that captured this gun, you may be interested to know that the batallion is perpetuated by the Royal Hamilton Light Infantry (Wentworth Regiment). Their museum or historical section might be able to shed some light.

OK....my bad for not being 'up' on army formations from almost 100 years ago :redface:

But...wouldnt there be a 4th Bat in each division?
 
OK....my bad for not being 'up' on army formations from almost 100 years ago :redface:

But...wouldnt there be a 4th Bat in each division?[/QUOTE]

Now, I think there would be. Not back in WW1 days, though. Good ol' Sam Hughes (Sham Shoes??:D) insisted that there would be only ONE battalion with each number (no duplicates). Had to do with troop morale, so I read.
 
OK....my bad for not being 'up' on army formations from almost 100 years ago :redface:

But...wouldnt there be a 4th Bat in each division?

Back to school young feller!!! :D Actually, this is pretty obscure stuff for most folks.

As for there being a 4th Bn in each division, no. Sam Hughes, then Minister of Militia and Defence, chose to form numbered new batallions rather than sending the already established units. Batallions 1 - 4 were raised in Ontario, using exisiting militia units to supply and recruit members. 5 - 11 were formed on the prairies. And so on. When adequate numbers were achieved, the batallion was sent overseas (following training). Canada raised 260 of these batallions by war's end, most of which arrived in England or France only to be broken up to augment earlier created batallions which were at the front serving with the 4 divisions. As an example, my great grandfather joined the 222nd in 1916, arrived in France later that year, was transferred to the 8th Bn and by 29 Apr 1917, was MIA, presumed dead and never found.

The Canadian Mounted Regiments (CMR) and artillery regiments were also similarly formed but in my experience, reference to these were usually written like 4 CMR or 4 RCA, as opposed to infantry batallions which often often wrote 4th CEF, 4th Canadians, etc. Here's a link which sums up the origin of the batallions, the units that supplied troops and their regional affiliation:

http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/organization/fieldforces/cef/cefaffiliations.htm

To say it was a cocked up way of doing business is an understatement. Following the war, the numbered batallions were disbanded and those troops kept in the service reverted to their pre-war units (which maintained their status in Canada and served as recruiting and home defence establishments throughout the war). MGen Sir William Otter was called upon to chair a commitee to determine how to perpetuate battle honours and traditions of units that didn't exist until 1914 and were disbanded immediately after the war. This took over a year, until such time as they had decided which Permanent Army and Militia units would perpetuate those honours. When WWII started, Canada simply deployed existing formed permanent and militia units, thus avoiding a repeat of the cluster created following WWI.

I'm by no means an expert on this. I'm just a guy that loves our history, reads as much as I can and takes every opportunity to talk to people who are experts so I can learn. I happily welcome additions to what I posted above.:)
 
well....Thanks for all the help folks

here is another reply...from RegimentalRogue posted by J-man

The most likely possibility is the 4th Canadian Infantry Battalion. The 4th Battalion was part of the 1st Canadian Infantry Brigade of the 1st Canadian Division.

(If it had been the 4th Canadian Mounted Rifles, the inscription would most likely have been "4CMR".)

The Canadian Expeditionary Force Study Group is a good starting place for research:

Canadian Expeditionary Force Study Group This forum includes many reasearchers of the Canadians in the First World War.

4th Battalion at the CEFSG Matrix Project. See links at the bottom of this page for an onine edition of the unit's wartime history.



Michael O'Leary
The Regimental Rogue

http://cefresearch.com/matrix/Army ...vision/1st Infantry Brigade/4th Battalion.htm
 
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