5 minute Review: Savage Model 11 Lightweight Hunter in .308WIN

[Sun_and_Steel_77]

You must have woke up on the wrong side of the bed Buddy.Try sleeping on the other side tonite.Good luck with this...

C'mon now muffin, sorry you're butt-hurt over my skepticism of weight claims concerning your dream rifle. I let your *** choose whichever side of the bed she prefers, and you're no buddy of mine.

 

[tylerjwitty]

Just measure outside to outside and subtract the bore size .308".


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why not inside to outside and avoid the subtraction step?

 

[tylerjwitty]

Lots of sporting guns shoot poorly with a hot bbl as compared to the first two or three shots, esp with a thin bbl. I don't even bother shooting them after three shots at the range. Just set them aside to cool and go on to the next rifle.

I've never fired more than three while hunting anyways, so don't need that kind of info.

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why would this be? what logical /mechanical reason could explain this?

 

[Calum]

why would this be? what logical /mechanical reason could explain this?

Barrel harmonics being effected by the heating of the steel during use.

 

[diemaco]

Barrel harmonics being effected by the heating of the steel during use.

I've also heard improper stress relieving combined with heat can cause issues with POI and groups size.

 

[Calum]

I wonder what the effect would be on the groups if one put a brass shim under the barrel near the end of the hand guard of the rifle in question?

With the idea of providing some steady and constant upwards of pressure. It was a trick I learned to do with my Enfield and Swede sporter.

 

[SuperCub]

why not inside to outside and avoid the subtraction step?

Proper measurement of group size is measured center (of POI) to center (of POI). Subtracting the bore size will give this amount.

Consider if I'm shooting a 35cal against your 25cal in a friendly competition. My overall size would be .100" larger than yours with the same center to center size.

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[crazy_davey]

i have never owned a rifle that shoots noticalby worse from freezing cold to hot.

Get a few more years under your belt, buy/sell and shoot a few more rifles and you will. Not a big deal and usually can be fixed but it does happen.

 

[crazy_davey]

Lots of sporting guns shoot poorly with a hot bbl as compared to the first two or three shots, esp with a thin bbl. I don't even bother shooting them after three shots at the range. Just set them aside to cool and go on to the next rifle.

Some around here would say your three shot groups are totally useless. They also tell us that if your rifle wont shoot good five to ten shot strings that your rifle needs work.

Just sayin

 

[bassman]

I'm curious as to the CV of the OP with respect to shooting/range experience. Not meant to flame, just curious. I find that inexperience and lack of proper technique can have a dramatic effect on group size. Also, as others have pointed out, many rounds of various ammo combinations in a rather hurried time frame is not conducive to achieving the best results.

 

[LongBomber]

Proper measurement of group size is measured center (of POI) to center (of POI). Subtracting the bore size will give this amount.

Consider if I'm shooting a 35cal against your 25cal in a friendly competition. My overall size would be .100" larger than yours with the same center to center size.

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As long as you are measuring an individual group from one rifle inside to outside works very well. The size of the wholes doesn't matter and is accounted for by how you measured.

To bad it won't work on my groups my shots go into one hole!!!