50 Beowulf AR15 pistol build - can we get 10 rnd mags?
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He wants to get himself some 10 round .50 beowulf pistol magazines. One could argue that its the first step for having those magazines correspond to a pistol "readily available in canada" but its also hard to say he can't have magazines for a pistol he owns if he's got a registration cert for the .50 pistol.
I can see the logic. It might help other people in their quest for a .50 pistol mag, or it might just help him.
I can see the logic. It might help other people in their quest for a .50 pistol mag, or it might just help him.
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The problem then becomes, trying to source and import some ".50 beowolf pistol magazines" and not a convert from a rifle mag
I understand that. How do we get 50 Beowulf pistol mags?
Ten not Five.
The barrel question is a dead issue now. I understand why they asked now in the first place. When I called they were helpful and very informative.
This thread is now about getting a 50 Beowulf in the books for the powers that be in pistol format. Rifle then mags will come. Maybe?
Why not? If you have a handgun in a certain caliber, can you not build a mag to fit?
Can we make our own mags in Canada? Who says anybody in Canada can't just start a 50 Beowulf pistol magazine business?
First, you make .50 Beowulf AR pistols, enough of them to be 'commonly available'. Do not advertise them as being able to fit 'standard AR rifle mags'.
Then you manufacture 'pistol magazines' for them. Make sure you advertise them as being for a .50 Beowulf pistol (no mention of rifle). Would help to make the magazine even slightly different from a regular.223 mag body.
Lastly, rake in millions.
Malice has already outlined the first steps pretty well. For this idea to have any traction there must be a ready supply of commercially available .50beo pistols on the market.
Now if I remember correctly when Questar had the LAR-15 10 round pistol mags built they had to have them made on seperate tooling from a rifle mag and purpose built for a pistol. This brings me to the answer of if we can make our own mags; you'll need a manufacturers license, seperate tooling and production line that a rifle mag will never touch, and several hundred thousand $'s if not a million or two in startup investment and materials. Is this investment worth it so you can have a 10 round .50 Beowulf pistol mag? If the intent is to make a business and not just have a couple of 10 round .50 Beowulf mags would the investment be worth it? Don't forget that a simple change in legislation or RCMP interpretation of it being a rifle mag could very well shut you down, but of course this wont happen until you've invested all of this time and money.
Another question is would Alexander Arms come after you for moving in on their proprietary cartridge? I'm not too certain if you'd have to pay a royalty stream or just get your new startup sewed into the stone age for infringement. I'm not too sure on this one and have kind of wondered it myself.
You're poking a sleeping angry hungry bear here, maybe a multiple of sleeping angry hungy bears. Some things are best left to the businesses that are already well versed in dealing in these areas like Questar or Wolverine.
What's 'commonly available' mean? Anyone able to quote the regs? We talking hundreds?
Why? If I have a pistol - ten rounds it is.
Another Canadian business pumped a million or two to make a few hundred ten round pistol mags? I don't think so.
Patents do not cross borders. Dlask profits from this all the time.
Pardon? The people behind the businesses asked the questions and pushed to get where we are. Let's not give up now.
commonly available is just that, anyone with enough $ can buy it, its not ness commonly OWNED
and making the mags only requires the ability to do so, and possibly permission from anyone whos proprietary stuff you might be using (like the name 50 beowulf I think)
whoever makes the rifle mags would likely be able to laser etch pistol on there bam good to go once a 50 beo pistol has an FRT # assigned to it
OP keep up the good fight, you get this done and there will be a new addition on your house when you get home*
*or ill send u a 6 pack whichever is easier
and making the mags only requires the ability to do so, and possibly permission from anyone whos proprietary stuff you might be using (like the name 50 beowulf I think)
whoever makes the rifle mags would likely be able to laser etch pistol on there bam good to go once a 50 beo pistol has an FRT # assigned to it
OP keep up the good fight, you get this done and there will be a new addition on your house when you get home*
*or ill send u a 6 pack whichever is easier
10rounds of 50BW= full mag of 223.
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Imho the key to being "commonly available" is having a company commercially poroducing them. Having a few guys doing aftermarket pistol conversions doesn't cut it. Additionally, you would need purpose designed 10 round pistol only magazines for the .50 Beowulf pistol. You can't just get a rifle reclassidied as a pistol and pop out the old rivets in your rifle magazine. Sorry OP, nice try but it won't fly.
It means commercially available, ready to be bought off of the shelf. Of course I do believe this is open to interpretation, but I for one don't like testing laws with my money in court.
The LAR-15 is commercially available, and has a mag to support it. The XCR pistol is available, has pistol mags in .223/6.8/7.62x39. It's easier to argue availability when commercially sold vs 50 or so guys registering pistol builds.
Not if you take a magazine originally designed for a rifle and pop the rivet and call it a pistol mag. Then it's simply a prohibited device and you've gone through this for nothing. As it sits there is no purpose built .50beo mag, and I wouldn't want to be the person to make 5 and call them "pistol mags" and test the law in court.
Well for the record it's pretty safe to say Questar has sold thousands of LAR-15 mags by now. Also I believe they outsourced to someone already making mags, provided plans and perhaps pistol mag purpose built tooling, and pretty well opened the door to the LAR-15 mag in the first place. Not sure what their startup investment was, but they didn't start a "pistol magazine business" and go it alone. To tell the truth Mark is a pretty savvy businessman so I wouldn't be suprised if they're either the supplier for other businesses or get a royalty off of mags built on their tooling (totally not sure on that but wouldn't be suprised).
Talk to a patent, trademark, and copyright lawyer and find out where the patent/TM/C is registered and if it's able to be worked with.
Nobody is saying to give up. However I was saying to start asking Questar, Wolverine or Armtac to start working with their suppliers/manufacturers to get a commonly commercially available Beowulf pistol. In fact tell em you got the ball rolling and give them the FRT to yours. If they get enough requests they'll listen.
As for an individual to do this is where you could be "poking the bear" so to speak unless you're well versed with dealing with the RCMP and CFC. RCMP interpretation of the slightest advertisement that a rifle mag is desigend for a pistol or vice versa has derailed some good mags in the past, and can do so to this very easily. The businesses listed above are well versed in watching what they say and knowing how to speak correctly to the RCMP/CFC, something an individual might not be. Fact is I support your effort, but would rather see someone more experienced take the lead so it doesn't get derailed out of the start gate.
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You're AR was also meant to be shot at coyotes. I'm still waiting for that part.
You're AR was also meant to be shot at coyotes. I'm still waiting for that part.
