.50 bmg -omg!

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Just got back from a trip down to Idaho and found a few sweet flee markets/swap meets. There was everything from fresh cookies and honey to pistols/rifles and all sorts of junk... er, I mean 'collectibles'. Some booths were all nicely organized and clean while others looked like they'd been there for ever (they weren't because it was just one weekend). There was a GLOCK 27 with three mags for $575 and all sorts of short barreled revolvers, but what really got me excited was one that looks like the back room of an old surplus store. He had all sorts of bags, books, boots, but what caught my eye was two bins full of .50 BMG ammo! One looked like regular FMJ ball type ammo and the other looked the same but the tips were painted white! The jaw dropper... $3 for the ball ammo and $4 for the white tips (it said what it was but I forget)! Whale oil beef hooked! I almost wet myself! But I thought for a minuet and not being sure of the laws I decided to keep moving. I wish I could have just filled one ammo can! Just one! Wouldn't even have to be a big one! I didn't have my phone or camera, sorry everyone no pics!
It wasn't all bad, I found a Coleman gas (house, not camping) lamp, model 132A from 1940ish, just missing the glass and mantels.

So I got home and started to look at the laws...
Canada says...
"Anyone is permitted to import up to 5000 rounds of ammunition for personal use into Canada"

http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/minerals-metals/explosives/4294?destination=node%2F4294

Oh really?!? O.K? what dose the U.S. have to say?...

"... MAY NOT purchase ammunition... could receive a maximum of 10
years of imprisonment."

http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-18.pdf

Oh well, at least I found a cool old lamp!
 
The "white" tip colour you saw was almost certainly silver, which is M8 armour-piercing incendiary, as there was no white tipped .50 calibre in regular US service.

Regards
TonyE
 
So there must be a loop-hole. If our government says,"Anyone is permitted to import up to 5000 rounds of ammunition for personal use into Canada" and the U.S. says,"A nonimmigrant alien generally MAY NOT purchase ammunition", wouldn't that mean a US citizen could bring ammo across the border? Any thoughts? :cool:
 
THERE IS NO LOOPHOLE.

You cannot export from the US (i.e. you cannot bring, drive, fly, ship, mail, throw over the border, etc.) ammunition or ammunition components (brass, primers, powder, projectiles, or even fired brass) without the proper export paperwork. If you are not a US citizen, you cannot get the proper export paperwork. If you were a US citizen, the export paperwork is pricey (several thousand dollars if I'm not mistaken) to get anyway.

The Canadian importation rules are separate and different from the US export rules. You have to satisfy both if bringing stuff from the US into Canada. The problem with bringing ammo in from the US is the US export rules, not the Canadian import rules.

You could, for example, buy 5,000 rounds of loaded ammo from Europe and bring it back home with you (if you could figure out how to get it onto the plane I guess) and Canada's CBSA would only ask that you pay your duties. If you're caught near the US/Canada border with 1 single loaded cartridge in your possession, and you're an Canadian citizen, US Dept of Homeland Security might just want to talk to you for a very, very long time.
 
I remember reading some US firearm forums about surplus ammo for Garands. People asked the advantage of .308 chambered M1's vs. .30-06 and the answer was saving money. One guy said he can buy surplus FMJ .30-06 for $.25 a round and surplus .308 was $.16

Cheapest .308 I have ever seen in Canada is just under $.75 a round or nearly 5x the US price.

That's life in Canada. Probably don't want to hear what those in the territories have to pay for ammo O_O
 
A valid us form 6 will allow a canadian resident to be in possession oj a firearms and ammunition that is inscribed on it. You must have an autorized firearms in said caliber to be in possession of ammunition in that caliber. My 50 cal has always been denied so has one of my garand and my cz858.
 
TonyE said:
The "white" tip colour you saw was almost certainly silver, which is M8 armour-piercing incendiary, as there was no white tipped .50 calibre in regular US service.

Regards
TonyE
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Silver? Jeez, that's vampire killing ammo. More important than zombie killing ammo. :yingyang:
 
Hehehehe. Got this lot on one time sale a few months ago for $5.00 a shot/ half the sticker price. Not too bad if you ask me.

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Some .50BMG links next to a .45ACP for scale.

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paintgunner said:
So there must be a loop-hole. If our government says,"Anyone is permitted to import up to 5000 rounds of ammunition for personal use into Canada" and the U.S. says,"A nonimmigrant alien generally MAY NOT purchase ammunition", wouldn't that mean a US citizen could bring ammo across the border? Any thoughts? :cool:
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There is a "loophole".

Import the ammo from any country except the US.
 
paintgunner said:
So there must be a loop-hole. If our government says,"Anyone is permitted to import up to 5000 rounds of ammunition for personal use into Canada" and the U.S. says,"A nonimmigrant alien generally MAY NOT purchase ammunition", wouldn't that mean a US citizen could bring ammo across the border? Any thoughts? :cool:
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Canadians are exempt from that rule of not being able to buy ammo or guns from the US(there are state possession laws you have to worry about though). What you cannot do how ever is export it from the US into Canada . You cannot even export a DVD on guns from the US to canada without hitting the ITAR wall :(.
 
vondnik said:
A valid us form 6 will allow a canadian resident to be in possession oj a firearms and ammunition that is inscribed on it. You must have an autorized firearms in said caliber to be in possession of ammunition in that caliber. My 50 cal has always been denied so has one of my garand and my cz858.
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Weird, I had my CZ858 listed on mine :confused:. I took it down to Texas earlier this year.
 
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