50 Bw mags things are getting stupid

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He wants to shoot the gun he purchased for 50 Beowulf why not thats what these so called 50 beo mags are for, right?

Everyone else is trying to piss around a crap law to shoot 15 rounds and in the process probably going to be made example off when the rcmp decide enough is enough.

If you feel its legal what your doing, then go offer the rcmp your 50 beo mag and tell them your shooting 15 rounds 223/556 with it

Let us know how you get on.
 
Familygunnutz said:
you don't want anyone to use .50 beo mag for .223, and you don't care that most of us wants to and trying to shoot 15 rds out of our ar 15 legally
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I don't care what you do so long as it does not get all the 50 Beowulf mags prohibited including the originals for those of us who actually need them to make our 50 Beowulf rifles function. Currently the AA ones are the only ones that work reliably, the others being sold in canada do not because they were never intended to be used with a 50 Beowulf rifle regardless of what someone stamped on them.
 
f55 said:
He wants to shoot the gun he purchased for 50 Beowulf why not thats what these so called 50 beo mags are for, right?

Everyone else is trying to piss around a crap law to shoot 15 rounds and in the process probably going to be made example off when the rcmp decide enough is enough.
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someone gets it.......... Unfortunately all the 223 guys will lose is higher capacity mag, guys owning a 50 Beowulf or 458 SOCOM rifle will have their rifles turned to single shots overnight by the prohibition making them worthless along with the huge investment in reloading gear that will be unsellable in this country.
 
I did not say he can't shoot his 50, he can do what he does is his right and his business. I'm just summing up what he is saying so he does not have to circumvent around and around saying the same thing, just tell us in our faces.
f55 said:
He wants to shoot the gun he purchased for 50 Beowulf why not thats what these so called 50 beo mags are for, right?

Everyone else is trying to piss around a crap law to shoot 15 rounds and in the process probably going to be made example off when the rcmp decide enough is enough.

If you feel its legal what your doing, then go offer the rcmp your 50 beo mag and tell them your shooting 15 rounds 223/556 with it

Let us know how you get on.
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done that, I have emailed the RCMP every-time before I purchased a brand of Beowulf mag, I said "I'm about to purchase ### brand 50 beo mags, please tell me if it's illegal and don't buy it", all I got back was a per-written email quoting a section of the FA in regards to the magazine capacity.
I have no fear for them to know I have those mags, if they come out with a bulletin says these are not to be used with 5.56/223, I will comply, otherwise I'm doing nothing wrong.

here is one of the email i sent to them,

From: ############x@gmail.com>
To: <cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
Date: November 23, 2013 01:14
Subject: Press Check Ventures PCV-50
Dear CFP,

Please advise on the legality of this product being sold by this Canadian vendor,

ht tp://presscheckventures.3dcartstores.com/PCV-50_p_8.html

I intent to purchase and use this item (PCV-50 magazine) unless it's a prohibited device defined by the firearms act, If it is indeed a prohibited device, please advise so.

If it is not a prohibited item, or if the RCMP can not stop the sale of said item due to the item can not be deemed a prohibited device, I will go ahead with my purchase knowing

I have notified the RCMP about my intention of purchasing the PCV-50 magazine which is openly sold on the market, and the RCMP have no legal grounds prohibiting my purchase and use of such item.


Thank you for your assistance in this matter,

Yours Truly,
############x

and here is the reply,

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM, <cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca> wrote:
Thank you for your inquiry.



The maximum capacity of a cartridge magazine is set out in Part 4 of the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted. The Regulations prescribe “prohibited devices”, and a magazine that has a capacity which exceeds the maximum permitted capacity is a prohibited device. Businesses can be in possession of prohibited devices if appropriately licensed. However, individuals may not possess prohibited devices. The Regulations are available on the Department of Justice Canada website at http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/FullText.html



As set out in the Regulations, the capacity limit of firearm magazines is based on the type of firearm the magazine was designed for. In general, the maximum capacity is five cartridges for a magazine designed for a semi-automatic, centre-fire long gun, and 10 cartridges for a magazine designed for a handgun.



By law, magazine capacity is measured in terms of the number of cartridges it can contain of the type for which it was originally designed; generally, if a magazine accidentally contains cartridges of a different type, it has no consequences for the magazine classification.



Regarding your question, if a magazine is designed to contain .50 calibre cartridges (your email and the product’s website don’t specify which type of .50 calibre cartridge) then the capacity would be measured by the number of .50 calibre cartridges it can contain.



Dual purpose magazines that are designed to contain standard .223 calibre AR15/M16 magazines will likely be prohibited devices if they can contain more than five cartridges, as these are subject to the limit for centre-fire, semi-automatic rifles.

###x
 
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I figured as much, so your not going to do this.

You should re read your own email to the rcmp, you didn't tell them your going to shoot 223/556 15 rounds from the mag, for all they know you want to shoot a 50 beo round in a 50 beo mag, which is why you got the standard email back.

Like i said, take it to them and tell them your shooting 223/556 and let us know. That email says nothing.
 
FamilyG

I understand you want so much for these to be legal, and so does everyone else. Armtac, and others who know better than you or I are telling you they will not take the risk.

This isnt about trying to have a go at you and stop you from having fun, its about not getting you in to trouble, the OP and others are trying to do you a favour. The other dealers trying to bring these in have put it on hold, you think they did this because of their desire to loose money?

Its up to you what you do, i for one am going to take the advice of people who know better than me and i will wait till they feel its right.
 
I find it difficult to take the OP serious, due to his approach. Regardless of his point, some of his comments are on the edge of being derogatory, his spelling / wording is questionable and he doesn't seem to prioritize being professional, for business sake. Rhetoric and rants are expected from forum members, but it doesn't look good on a dealer. As much as the OP is trying to get his point across, he would definitely benefit from listening to what the members have to say. Many members are very well versed on the gun laws and also on the technical side of things, maybe, just maybe, more than the OP. All members are potential customers, as well............
 
f55 said:
I figured as much, so your not going to do this.

You should re read your own email to the rcmp, you didn't tell them your going to shoot 223/556 15 rounds from the mag, for all they know you want to shoot a 50 beo round in a 50 beo mag, which is why you got the standard email back.

Like i said, take it to them and tell them your shooting 223/556 and let us know. That email says nothing.
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I'm firing off an email as we speak just to shut you up.

Dear CFP,

I have purchased several brand of .50 Beowulf magazine thru legal firearms vendors/dealers,
understanding the Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72,
specifically -
4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.

As per section 4 of the Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72, I have since used 50 Beowulf magazines in IMI Tavor / Norinco type 97 / KAC sr 15 all are chambered in 5.56 Nato.

Please advise the legality of my further use of these magazines in said fashion.
 
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f55 said:
I figured as much, so your not going to do this.

You should re read your own email to the rcmp, you didn't tell them your going to shoot 223/556 15 rounds from the mag, for all they know you want to shoot a 50 beo round in a 50 beo mag, which is why you got the standard email back.

Like i said, take it to them and tell them your shooting 223/556 and let us know. That email says nothing.
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Did you read the whole email?

"By law, magazine capacity is measured in terms of the number of cartridges it can contain of the type for which it was originally designed; generally, if a magazine accidentally contains cartridges of a different type, it has no consequences for the magazine classification."
 
Shawn yes i read the email FamilyG sent to the rcmp, you obviously didn't.

No place in the email did FG state hes going to use this mag to shoot 15 rounds of 223.
 
How is that any different than their blanket statement of "cartridges of a different type"?

.223 isn't different than .50 beo? And it has "no consequences on the magazine classification"
 
Shawn, then there should be no problem. If you feel your right then that's great you have every right to feel that way.

I will wait.
 
f55 said:
I figured as much, so your not going to do this.

You should re read your own email to the rcmp, you didn't tell them your going to shoot 223/556 15 rounds from the mag, for all they know you want to shoot a 50 beo round in a 50 beo mag, which is why you got the standard email back.

Like i said, take it to them and tell them your shooting 223/556 and let us know. That email says nothing.
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Dear CFP,

I have purchased several brands of .50 Beowulf magazine through legal firearms vendors/dealers,
understanding the Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72,
specifically -
4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.

As per section 4 of the Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72, I have since used 50 Beowulf magazines in IMI Tavor / Norinco type 97 / KAC sr 15 all are chambered in 5.56 Nato.

Please advise the legality of my further use of these magazines in said fashion.

Best regards,
 
DONE
Dear CFP,

I have purchased several brands of .50 Beowulf magazine through legal firearms vendors/dealers,
understanding the Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72,
specifically -
4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.

As per section 4 of the Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72, I have since used 50 Beowulf magazines in IMI Tavor / Norinco type 97 / KAC sr 15 all are chambered in 5.56 Nato.

Please advise the legality of my further use of these magazines in said fashion.

Best regards,
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Familygunnutz said:
DONE
Dear CFP,

I have purchased several brands of .50 Beowulf magazine through legal firearms vendors/dealers,
understanding the Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72,
specifically -
4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.

As per section 4 of the Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72, I have since used 50 Beowulf magazines in IMI Tavor / Norinco type 97 / KAC sr 15 all are chambered in 5.56 Nato.

Please advise the legality of my further use of these magazines in said fashion.

Best regards,
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why are you doing this?
The cfp is there to remove firearms from canadians, why are you purposely knocking on their door?
I wish you trouble makers in Alberta i.e. tse and company, you now included, would just STFU and go shooting, Im getting real tired here.
 
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