.50 Cal ML Bullets Delimma

Ghunter

Ghunter

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I'm recently tinkering with my new Traditions .50 Cal ML but can't seem to be able to load these .50 Cal bullets. They just won't fit. I was able to fit .44 cal. bullets w/ 50 cal sabots. I get confused when trying to buy .50 cal bullets and keep in mind the size of the sabots. How can I shoot .50 cal bullets from a .50 cal muzzle loader???? Thanks
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Those are probably a .50 made for a .54 sabot. You need either a smaller, .44/45 with a sabot, or a .50 caliber Great plains or similar conical. Before you buy any, talk to your dealer. If they knew you and your rifle, they should never have sold those to you. Did you try to force them down the muzzle?
 
If you're using a .50 cal bullet, you won't be able to use a sabot in your muzzle loader. To use a sabot in your rifle you must use a smaller diameter bullet to fit inside the sabot. Like pharaoh mentioned you'll have to use a .44, or .45 cal bullet. The sabot you use in your rifle will be .50 cal. to match your bore diameter, and the bullet .44, or .45 to fit inside the sabot.
 
To answer pharoah, I tried at first to feed them down the barrel then I figured that it wasn't the way to go so I backed off and went back to the drawing board and now shooting 44 cal bullets in a 50 cal sabots.
Now to shoot 50 cal bullets from my 50 cal ML. I really want to shoot the heavier bullets for black bears can I shoot 50 cal bullets in my Traditions without the sabots??
Thanks,
 
No, not those. Like I said, if you want .50, look at a Hornady Great Plains Conical. They go around 500 grains if I remember right. But you certainly don't need that for a black bear. A good bullet like a Nosler HG in .44 at 240 grains will be more than enough. Good luck.
 
O.K. I'll stick with sabots, then I guess the heaviest bullets would be any .45 cal in a .50 cal sabots, right? If so then I know which bullets to get. Basically I cannot count on anybody around my area to help me out. Thanks to you CGN'ers.
Regards, Ghunter
 
Kilo Charlie said:
Those are jacketed bullets you have. Not designes to load into a .50 from the muzzle. To go .50 in your .50 cal, use any .50 cal lead bullet.
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Such as the CVA "Powerbelt" ;)
CVA Muzzleloading CVA Powerbelt Muzzleloading Bullets 50 Caliber 245 Grain AeroTip...
The Powerbelt's snap-on plastic base produces a perfect gas seal for consistent pressures and superb accuracy.
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Huntsman said:
Such as the CVA "Powerbelt" ;)
CVA Muzzleloading CVA Powerbelt Muzzleloading Bullets 50 Caliber 245 Grain AeroTip...
The Powerbelt's snap-on plastic base produces a perfect gas seal for consistent pressures and superb accuracy.
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Please forgive Huntsman. He's a little bitter:mad: 'bout having to work this long weekend, He would never intentionally mislead.

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"Work will set you FREE!" :bangHead: :bangHead:
I myself would never use the Powerbelt, I've actually never seen them out West here, where we are obviously misled by an affordable PST free living style.
I firmly believe Ghunter, that who ever sold you those sabots, does'nt shoot muzzleloaders a whole heckuvalot!
The pkg's are clearly marked in most cases, such as what I use;
Hornady 50 CAL SABOT WITH 45 CAL 300 GR SST/ML BULLET
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I'm puzzled(again), why would you buy a .50 cal. rifle and then shoot 45 cal. bullets out of it? The extra diameter and weight of .50 cal. projectiles would put them in another class......a soft cast "Plains" type bullet of around 400grs. or more would trump any pistol bullet of .45 cal. on big game, it would also be less costly.
 
I think the biggest reason for the smaller diameter pistol bullets Ben is simply a higher achievable velocity and a flatter tragectory.
Yes I do agree with the bore sized projectile would give a greater receiving end thump, but these day's with the modern in-lines, the favoured flavour has been the .44 & .45 cal bullets for the .50.
 
Well let's see now!;) Presently I use the same Traditions Stainless inline as Ghunter and in it I shoot the same SST 250 as does Huntsman. F***K do they shoot out of it. I have also shot the Great Plains bullets out of it and they shoot quite well too as do the home poured 3 ring maxi from a Lee mould.
I have shot close to 40 WT's with a muzzle loader (37;) ) and have found the terminal performance of the SST to down right amazing. Those I have shot with the Great Plains bullet sure enough died but I found the big solids go right through where as the SST will open up some and do some serios damage to internal organs.
The first deer I shot with an SST was a broadside through the ribs. Blood pattern out the far side had to have been 10ft wide and came out a hole only about the size od a golf ball. Deer travelled about 30yrds not realizing it was dead.Half way to the deer I found a chunk of lung that came out that same small hole about the size of my fist. Second deer was about the same wound patern and dead very quickly. The third was a shot high in the rb gage at a range I wouldn't have tried with my traditional rifle that spun that deer in a 180 and was dead on arrival with the turf.
I've killed deer in thier tracks with conicals too, even had a 385 GP remove most of the chopps from a nice young buck;) but mostly I've tracked them a little farther. The bullet I have used for most of my hunting in my traditional guns has been the three ring Maxi home made from a Lee mould. It out shoots the GP bullet in my rifle and has about the same weight. That rifle will not shoot sabots whatsoever.
I find that the sabots on the SST's are a prick to load unless you rub them with some bore lube first. Without hte lube I pretty much need a hammer:D . With the lube they slide down very nice. I carry 6 in a film canister prelubed and ready to load. My first thought was that this my be the problem with Ghunters sabots. The lighter saboted bullets make the rifle a 200yd rifle no sweat with only about 8" drop at 200 from a 100yrd zero and that's plenty of reason to use them right there alone. Wouldn't use them in my traditional guns thogh unless the twist favored them. Smokey is a twist in 66 ment for round ball but she shoots the Lee maxi's just fine. I find most other conicals won't shoot in it untill there is some soot down the tube;)
 
I haven't had much luck with the SST's, but my ML really likes 300 XTP's, and heavier PRbullet stuff. I think I will try SST's again, as I beleive I had scope problems with a wandering zero. That has since been rectified.
 
hakx said:
I haven't had much luck with the SST's, but my ML really likes 300 XTP's, and heavier PRbullet stuff. I think I will try SST's again, as I beleive I had scope problems with a wandering zero. That has since been rectified.
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Send the scope back to Tasco/Bushnell, they'll send you a brand new one back. I'm on my 2nd scope, the latest being my SS Bushnell Trophy 3-9x40. and another discontinued Tasco Target scope and 1 pair of bino's;)

If I were'nt shooting SST's, I'd be shooting XTP's:rockOn:
 
This is not the first time I have heard this complaint.They are the right bullet and sabot for .50 cal muzzleloader.However,in rifles with really tight bores they will not load or start,try different sabots,not magnum.Make sure the sabot is for .451 bullets.
 
Thanks guys, I think shotgunjoe nailed it right on! I measured all the bullets and then all the sabots with a digital caliper and they are all the right diameter. .451 bullets and .501 sabots. Will my "tight bore" always be tight?? Or maybe shooting alot will eventually help or loosen things up??
What do you guys think??
 
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