$50 Magpul CTR?

[P0WERWAGON]

if you want it even cheaper, just go to dealextreme and get it for under $20 shipped. they look close, fit is so-so, and the lock tab does not hold. great for a 10/22 kit though.

 

[blaxsun]

Let me get this correct.

Chinese copies of ARs are great and anyone who pays three times as much for a N Amercan built rifle is a fool but Chinese copies of AR parts like Magpul are crap and anyone who pays 1/3 as much for a copy is a fool?

Hookay. Seems like typical solid CGN logic to me.

Just don't use your butt stock as a blunt object... or at least not when trying to unjam a charging handle.

 

[Suputin]

The one difference I'll point out is that the Nork AR copy is built as an actual rifle, while the knockoff stocks are built for airsoft. This does have an impact on material selection, among other things.

Uh huh. And when the Chinese make dog food and baby toys they include toxic chemicals to save money. Is that what you mean when you talk about material selection appropriate for real military firearms?

 

[c0ntract]

Uh huh. And when the Chinese make dog food and baby toys they include toxic chemicals to save money. Is that what you mean when you talk about material selection appropriate for real military firearms?

So your saying that norinco uses toxic materials in their AR's?

The Norc AR is not a "copy" it is an AR. It might not be milspec, but that doesn't change what it is. You want to argue quality, that is one thing, I will never claim that a norc is on par with LMT, Colt or another great AR, but claiming Norcs not made of appropriate materials for military use is pretty laughable considering they are deployed around the world in service to foreign militia and military..

The harm I see in buying fake magpul products is

1) real magpul parts are not that expensive the majority of their products are less than $50.

2) buying "copies" of legitimately licensed products with standing patents takes money out the pocket of one of the legitimate good firearm companies out there. Magpul is one of the big innovators in the market, they produce great gear. Buying cheap clones of their products hurts them and gun owners in the long run. (and no buying a Norc AR is not the same)

3) there is definitely safety concerns with using a product that is not designed for use on a firearm. Airsoft guns have no recoil, they don't build up heat and they will never be the final barrier between your face and a tens of thousands of PSI generated from a discharging firearm.

Just sayin.

 

[luke s]

magpul PTS is still made by magpul in china for training purposes.

its not ideal for real world combat conditions, but it is plenty fine for playing at the range

 

[c0ntract]

magpul PTS is still made by magpul in china for training purposes.

its not ideal for real world combat conditions, but it is plenty fine for playing at the range

Where did you hear that? Got a Source?

To my knowledge all magpul products are made in the USA (even the iphone cases)

 

[luke s]

Where did you hear that? Got a Source?

To my knowledge all magpul products are made in the USA (even the iphone cases)

check out
w ww.magpul-pts.com/about.html

also here
w ww.airsoftoutletnw.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=167:magpul-pts-vs-magpul-usa&catid=23&Itemid=215

and here
ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magpul_Industries#History

 

[rivetc78]

Not this again. Most AR parts are made in china or one of many south asian countries.
It's all the same.

I use the stocks Questar was selling, so did Many others without a problem...guess what, they were made in China.
I purchased low cost Magpul products and Larue from E-bay, again no problem.

I still say that the cheap Magpul stuff is made in the same Chinese Factory that the 'Real' Magpul stuff is made. Just after hours...LOL.

As too the rumour that Magpul makes it stuff in the U.S..... Where? That tiny warehouse they operate out of?? Not a chance.
They get orders for millions of Mags. they need a sizable operation to do that. Any one seen it?
Other companies have/give tours of their operation.....not Magpul. Hmmmm? To many Chinese standing around to take pictures. Hahaha

 

[Grizzlypeg]

My AR-15 had an A2 rifle stock on it. After removing the single screw that holds on the A2 stock, you slide off the light plastic A2 stock. The PRS PTS stock slides right over the existing A2 receiver extension, sans the spacer. The screw needs to be cut down to half the length as it no longer passes through a spacer. The PTS PRS stock fits solidly on the A2 buffer tube. About the only thing you could make wobble would be the adjustable butt plate if you screw it out really far and purposely feel for the play. In operation, its 100% functional. The adjustment wheels are aluminum and ride on threaded steel rods that are large diameter. They lack clicks or detents is about the only bone to pick with it. It's heavy and not at all flimsy. A very functional stock for $85.00

 

[c0ntract]

check out
w ww.magpul-pts.com/about.html

also here
w ww.airsoftoutletnw.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=167:magpul-pts-vs-magpul-usa&catid=23&Itemid=215

and here
ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magpul_Industries#History

PTS is actual Magpul Airsoft simulation parts, they are designed for training use on Airsoft platforms. The OP linked to a non PTS product, literally a non branded clone. I thought we were talking about fake products, not Magpul brand airsoft parts.

So my argument would still stand: if your buying magpul it is fine but its still airsoft on firearm, if your buying fakes then I would say your cheating a good company.

Oddly enough I read the specs on the PTS gear, it says for some of them "for use on NON AR15/M16 platforms" so I am inferring that they don't condone the use on real guns? However it said on the description for the PTS PRS that it could handle the recoil of a .50 BMG???


PRS specs:

Features *Mounts to rifle-length receiver extension tube without A2 spacer (not included) *Enhanced strength aluminum butt-plate withstands severe impact and recoil up to .50 BMG *Rubber butt-pad provides positive shoulder purchase to prevent slippage *Machined aluminum adjustment knobs with positive locking click detents *Black, hardened, solid steel adjustment shafts finished with a ferritic nitrocarburizing process *All aluminum components finished with MIL-A-8625F, Type III, Class 2 hard anodizing *Stout construction provides extra weight for improved weapon balance and stability *Bottom Picatinny-type rail with removable cover for use with a monopod *Sling Mounts Front/Rear - 1.25" aluminum sling loops (left-right reversible)

http://shop.magpul-pts.com/product/prs_stock_aeg

 

[sDot]

check out
w ww.magpul-pts.com/about.html

also here
w ww.airsoftoutletnw.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=167:magpul-pts-vs-magpul-usa&catid=23&Itemid=215

and here
ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magpul_Industries#History

Basically, PTS is/was a company that made airsoft accessories, they are licensing the Magpul name and designs to make Magpul licensed and branded airsoft accessories.

At the end of the day Magpul PTS is just a bunch of airsoft accessories with the magpul name licensed to use on them.

 

[sDot]

"PTS began as the exclusive licensee for Magpul Industries-derived airsoft products."

"Professional Training & Simulation (PTS) was established in 2007 to meet worldwide demand for airsoft-compatible Magpul accessories and airsoft guns. Based in Hong Kong, PTS provides high quality airsoft products suitable for both non-lethal training applications and civilian airsoft sporting use. By maintaining the same basic form and function as Magpul weapon components, PTS equipment allows users to safely practice drills and perform scenarios without the use of live weapons or ammunition."

http://magpul-pts.com/about.html

 

[5440fight]

My AR-15 had an A2 rifle stock on it. After removing the single screw that holds on the A2 stock, you slide off the light plastic A2 stock. The PRS PTS stock slides right over the existing A2 receiver extension, sans the spacer. The screw needs to be cut down to half the length as it no longer passes through a spacer. The PTS PRS stock fits solidly on the A2 buffer tube. About the only thing you could make wobble would be the adjustable butt plate if you screw it out really far and purposely feel for the play. In operation, its 100% functional. The adjustment wheels are aluminum and ride on threaded steel rods that are large diameter. They lack clicks or detents is about the only bone to pick with it. It's heavy and not at all flimsy. A very functional stock for $85.00

Grizzlypeg: you must be wrong, many who have never held this product have spoken. You are endangering yourself and others when you shoot, by using plastic lacking freedom dust in it. The magpul factory in China has a secret ingredient they add just before production (only americans handle the ingredient, and employing them to add it costs more than the rest of the opperation), and you can tell the difference when it's in the plastic, because it quivers and resonates when the star spangled banner is played. On top of you being cheap, your purchase funds political repression, whereas the "US" purchases only fund political corruption, and repression of other nations politics. For shame! I've decided to only purchase from countries and people I am in full agreement with, and as a result can only buy from Monaco, Liechtenstein, and some guy named Bill I met online that agrees with every opinion I have, since I invested in his Alabama gold mine. Some of us have principles, and are willing to pay for them, while you fool yourself in to thinking it's a dog eat dog world, and that saving a few bucks is worth exploring hungrier competition. I hope one day you see the light, and until then, could you send me a link to that stock? It's for an unscrupulous friend with a gun like mine.

 

[c0ntract]

Grizzlypeg: you must be wrong, many who have never held this product have spoken. You are endangering yourself and others when you shoot, by using plastic lacking freedom dust in it. The magpul factory in China has a secret ingredient they add just before production (only americans handle the ingredient, and employing them to add it costs more than the rest of the opperation), and you can tell the difference when it's in the plastic, because it quivers and resonates when the star spangled banner is played. On top of you being cheap, your purchase funds political repression, whereas the "US" purchases only fund political corruption, and repression of other nations politics. For shame! I've decided to only purchase from countries and people I am in full agreement with, and as a result can only buy from Monaco, Liechtenstein, and some guy named Bill I met online that agrees with every opinion I have, since I invested in his Alabama gold mine. Some of us have principles, and are willing to pay for them, while you fool yourself in to thinking it's a dog eat dog world, and that saving a few bucks is worth exploring hungrier competition. I hope one day you see the light, and until then, could you send me a link to that stock? It's for an unscrupulous friend with a gun like mine.

Ok, I did find this amusing.

 

[5440fight]

I don't honestly think that all things are equal, not even close. But many are, and in fact the copy can be better than the original at times. Look at the drop in quality in many US makers, the profusion of plastic trigger components, the endless threads on here about American made products with defects right out of the box, and the occasional battle to get satisfaction from certain sponsors here. (un-named to avoid this thread disappearing) If you buy knock-offs, be critical and ready to allocate to light duty if they lack, and share the information with others if they don't, but I would write them off outright without experience with them.

 

[Suputin]

So your saying that norinco uses toxic materials in their AR's?

The Norc AR is not a "copy" it is an AR. It might not be milspec, but that doesn't change what it is. You want to argue quality, that is one thing, I will never claim that a norc is on par with LMT, Colt or another great AR, but claiming Norcs not made of appropriate materials for military use is pretty laughable considering they are deployed around the world in service to foreign militia and military..

The harm I see in buying fake magpul products is

1) real magpul parts are not that expensive the majority of their products are less than $50.

2) buying "copies" of legitimately licensed products with standing patents takes money out the pocket of one of the legitimate good firearm companies out there. Magpul is one of the big innovators in the market, they produce great gear. Buying cheap clones of their products hurts them and gun owners in the long run. (and no buying a Norc AR is not the same)

3) there is definitely safety concerns with using a product that is not designed for use on a firearm. Airsoft guns have no recoil, they don't build up heat and they will never be the final barrier between your face and a tens of thousands of PSI generated from a discharging firearm.

Just sayin.

No Magpul parts are containing any pressure. So why would it make a difference how the knockoffs are made? These are stocks and grips used on range guns.

By your logic, the Chinese made grips and stocks that are copies of Colt products (as usedon a Norinco) are good but the Chinese made grips and stocks that are copies of magpul products are unsafe for use on a real firearm?

 

[c0ntract]

I don't honestly think that all things are equal, not even close. But many are, and in fact the copy can be better than the original at times. Look at the drop in quality in many US makers, the profusion of plastic trigger components, the endless threads on here about American made products with defects right out of the box, and the occasional battle to get satisfaction from certain sponsors here. (un-named to avoid this thread disappearing) If you buy knock-offs, be critical and ready to allocate to light duty if they lack, and share the information with others if they don't, but I would write them off outright without experience with them.

My point was it didn't matter where it was made, China can produce just as good quality as USA and Mexico if not better, I just don't agree with buying fake things. The Chinese AR's are great.. but they are not knock offs of current patented items.

The magpul fakes, and non licensed copies, are in my mind cheating a good company out of their money. Particularly Magpul which is a company that is a big innovator in the firearms community.

In relation to the safety of airsoft parts on a firearm, well thats up to each person if they want to go that route. I still say that Magpul firearm parts are affordable and to me its not worth saving a few bucks to have a lesser quality part on my rifle. Where the PTS- PRS is concerned, well I guess if theirs can handle a 50 BMG, and its $300 less than the real deal and a licensed product of Magpul, you might argue that is a sound purchasing decision

 

[sDot]

Can we just say that airsoft guns and real guns are the same, and just end this thread? If some people want to believe their airsoft accessories at 75% less is the same as military grade stuff just let them.. Time to move on..

 

[c0ntract]

No Magpul parts are containing any pressure. So why would it make a difference how the knockoffs are made? These are stocks and grips used on range guns.

By your logic, the Chinese made grips and stocks that are copies of Colt products (as usedon a Norinco) are good but the Chinese made grips and stocks that are copies of magpul products are unsafe for use on a real firearm?

Ugh... no. You seem to be confused.

My argument was using airsoft products on a real firearm was not a smart choice, it doesn't matter if it was made in China or the USA. If it was a Chinese copy of magpul parts that was designed for an actual firearm we would be having a different discussion.

What parts did Norinco copy from Colt? the A2 grip? the handguards? the adjustable stock? Didn't realize those were currently patented items. How do you even know that Colt doesn't import them from China?

 

[Slide-Lock]

Grizzlypeg: you must be wrong, many who have never held this product have spoken. You are endangering yourself and others when you shoot, by using plastic lacking freedom dust in it. The magpul factory in China has a secret ingredient they add just before production (only americans handle the ingredient, and employing them to add it costs more than the rest of the opperation), and you can tell the difference when it's in the plastic, because it quivers and resonates when the star spangled banner is played. On top of you being cheap, your purchase funds political repression, whereas the "US" purchases only fund political corruption, and repression of other nations politics. For shame! I've decided to only purchase from countries and people I am in full agreement with, and as a result can only buy from Monaco, Liechtenstein, and some guy named Bill I met online that agrees with every opinion I have, since I invested in his Alabama gold mine. Some of us have principles, and are willing to pay for them, while you fool yourself in to thinking it's a dog eat dog world, and that saving a few bucks is worth exploring hungrier competition. I hope one day you see the light, and until then, could you send me a link to that stock? It's for an unscrupulous friend with a gun like mine.

That was awesome.

If you buy knock-offs, be critical and ready to allocate to light duty if they lack, and share the information with others if they don't

Agreed, that's what helps people like me when I am curious about knock-offs or any other product, people giving their input and experiences with it (good or bad). Almost $300 for a real PRS stock is a lot of money, Grizzleypeg bought a PTS one for less than a third of the price, and says he is happy with the results. He even gave a little advice on how to install it and make sure it stays solid, good on him, people like that are the reason I am on CGN.

if your buying fakes then I would say your cheating a good company.

I definitely agree with you, buying an unlicensed copy of the CTR wouldn't seem right to me, I would rather have a PTS stock than that.