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A natural..it's good to be youngAnshutz rifle, match ammo, 10 shots. Outdoors, iron sights, off the elbows.
My son; not me.
50 Yard Expected Accuracy?
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Anshutz rifle, match ammo, 10 shots. Outdoors, iron sights, off the elbows.
My son; not me.
50 yards?
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coleman1495
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Using a factory Savage and run of the mill ammo, I’d say that’s pretty good.
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Dude it’s a 400$ rifle with CCI standard and Federal target. I’d say that’s pretty darn good.
Dude yourself. Few would be surprised about the cost of a Savage B22. What's your point? That over 1" groups are "darn good" for the ammo in question? Do you have issue with something in the words you quoted? Perhaps you think better ammo wouldn't improve the results? Please explain.
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coleman1495
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Better ammunition and a better rifle would both provide better results. The OP asked if the results were good and I provided an answer.
Are the groupings acceptable for a 2k Anschutz? Obviously not. Is the results good for a 400$ rifle and fairly inexpensive ammo? Yes I’d be happy with that if it were my rifle.
I think they are good. If using a bipod try and load into it the same every time and complete trigger follow through (hold the trigger back till you find your hole) pull the trigger slow and let the break surprise you. breathing and position. Do everything identical everytime.
But still it looks good. That top 5 shot group is super nice in my books.
But still it looks good. That top 5 shot group is super nice in my books.
The OP asked a specific question:
He didn't say anything about a $2000 Anschutz so that not relevant here. The groups he showed on his target were two plus MOA. If you consider that to be accurate, that's fine. Somehow, I doubt the OP is happy with his results -- and hence his question. My advice to improve the accuracy was to try better ammo, which has a very good chance of producing better results without changing rifles. I would wager that many Savage shooters might agree.
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Not sure I can make this any simpler. The groupings were good considering the gear used. I would also try different ammunition if I wanted to tighten up the groups
I interpret the OP’s question as whether the accuracy was what would be expected from the gear used. I am saying the accuracy is as good as I would expect and everything is working as it should.
1/2" or better is considered good for a gun shooting paper... easier said than done otherwise everyone who ever shot a rimfire would be in the all day thread.
Groups in the original post are probably considered average for a random bench, rifle, scope and ammo set up. To get above average, it needs to be good... and good or even acceptable as being "good" is already defined as 1/2" all day.
1/2" at 50 all day is THE quantifiable internet authority on rimfire grouping... if its any larger than 1/2" all day your set up is inferior according to the internet.
"Good for the gear used" isnt quantifiable.
Groups in the original post are probably considered average for a random bench, rifle, scope and ammo set up. To get above average, it needs to be good... and good or even acceptable as being "good" is already defined as 1/2" all day.
1/2" at 50 all day is THE quantifiable internet authority on rimfire grouping... if its any larger than 1/2" all day your set up is inferior according to the internet.
"Good for the gear used" isnt quantifiable.
OP have you had a chance to check if the barrel is 'Free Floated'?
It made a big difference with my son's B22 FVSR
I removed barrel from stock, then removed the hard plastic piece inside the forend.
I used a 600grit wet sandpaper wrapped on a wooden dowel to remove plastic until the barrel would free float.
Once free floated you will need to find the ammo your rifle likes best.
It made a big difference with my son's B22 FVSR
I removed barrel from stock, then removed the hard plastic piece inside the forend.
I used a 600grit wet sandpaper wrapped on a wooden dowel to remove plastic until the barrel would free float.
Once free floated you will need to find the ammo your rifle likes best.
I know this thread is about "expected accuracy". What do we think about "unexpected accuracy" ? For me, range time with a 22 lr is a 50 yard or 75 yard proposition. I shoot from normal hunting positions....standing, kneeling, and sitting. The only bench shooting is to get a new rifle or new scope dialed in. I recently purchased a 452 American from one of the people who have posted on this thread. I also purchased a new Leupold Freedom Rimfire 3-9x40 scope. While getting things dialed in on first range trip, I decided to see which of the hash marks would approximate holdover for 100 yards. I have never in my 60 plus years of shooting had a scope with these elevation graduations built in. I also have never tried to group 22lr at 100 yards. The target photo attached is the first and likely the last 22 long rifle 100 yard group that I will ever fire. It was fired off a bench with a tight sling. It simply proves the point made by "G" that you just never know what will happen with 22 rifles,22 ammo, or the shooter on any particular day.
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OP have you had a chance to check if the barrel is 'Free Floated'?
It made a big difference with my son's B22 FVSR
I removed barrel from stock, then removed the hard plastic piece inside the forend.
I used a 600grit wet sandpaper wrapped on a wooden dowel to remove plastic until the barrel would free float.
Once free floated you will need to find the ammo your rifle likes best.
What fake supressor is that?
I haven't read the thread beyond this comment, but based on this (=meaning, you're able to shoot good groups/technique should be fine) I'd suggest you really widen the selection of ammo you're running thorough it, and, confirm you're having no scope issues. Parallax was mentioned, and it's no small concern with rimfires. Try to track-down the specs of the scope, see what the parallax setting is. Allot of inexpensive scopes (unless rimfire-specific and set @ 50 or 60 yards) will have a 100 yard parallax setting. Most 3-9X/inexpensive scopes do. That will always impact your results @ 50 yards, or nearly always will unless you have the magnification dialled way down. Still an issue, but it doesn't mess things up as much.
I've said more about parallax, but even with the world's best scope on there...ammo selection is always the biggest variable with 22s...which is the bad news. The GOOD news is that I've yet to shoot a 22 that didn't have a favourite...it's your first job to determine WHAT that favourite is. And it's out there. lol Stick to standard velocity stuff, 1050-1070fps-ish. Avoid anything Winchester or Remington branded, look @ CCI, Federal, SK, Eley, etc. For me, the "unicorn" gun is one that'll shoot cheap ammo well, and while that's always a combination of factors (decent gun/scope/ammo). Every gun I currently own will shoot SK Rifle Match very well @ $10 for 50 rounds...but my better guns will shoot CCI SV or CCI Blazer at 1/2 the cost well enough for plinking. If I'm punching paper and am after tight groups, I'm always divided about how badly I want them vs the cost of the ammo to do it. So, I settle on what I'm after on a particular day...and the ammo I take with me reflects that.
Lastly, new 22s do seem to shoot a little better once they've had a nice amount of ammo through them. Some call that the "break in" period, some stress that the barrel on some rimfires need to be "fouled" a bit to really shoot well...opinions vary. The best thing to do is to get a box of every type of ammo you can get your hands on (in the $ range you want to spend) and do a range/test day. It's what I do any time I have a new gun to play with. Which isn't often enough.
Key work here for me is "expected." When I head to the field with my Savage Mark II TR to shoot at 50 yds I expect to shoot one hole 5 round groups. Why, because that's the bar me and my Mark II TR have set for 50 yds; At 100 yds it's 3/8". I've just shot enough of these sized groups to expect nothing less. However, I nearly always get something less, it just doesn't discourage me from expecting my one hole. I'm an experienced shooter and I have a good scope on that TR and a bipod and a rear bag and a sturdy table, and I won't shoot if it's blowing hard, these are all contributing factors to achieving those single holes. I have lots of targets that look like yours, I just light the wood stove with them. Now those are only my standards and my expectations of myself and my rifle. If you're happy with your groups (and because you're asking I'm gonna assume you're not) then carry on shooting and set your own standards. But if your underlying question is, what is possible at 50 yds?, just know that with the right combination of marksmanship, rifle (by that I more mean barrel), rifle support front and rear, ammo (I also shoot CCI standards-only), weather conditions and scope, one hole groups are not only possible but in my opinion should be expected. Rimfire shooting is the best. I love my Tikka T3x Tac A1 in 6.5 CM at long range like others enjoy levitating in the Astral Planes, and I shoot my Mark II 8 times more than I do my handsome Tikka. I'm just thrilled to know you're out there pulling a trigger on CCI's. Good luck, have fun and if you're voting Trudeau I take all this back.
