5000 Hunts Taken from BC Resident Hunters *MARCH 2 RALLY at the LEGISLATURE*

First Nations do not have quotas on big game as far as I know.

As far as the additional allocations given to Outfitters, if I was a BC resident I would make damn sure the political party in power gets the pressure squeeze from the BC Resident Hunters. You have the voting power, you work and spend $$$$ in BC, and there is for sure way more voices of Resident Hunters over Outfitters. IMO, if they open more allocations for Outfitters, then the GOVT should give more LEH's to the Residents.

My uncle is Haida but lives on Vancouver Island he as to try his luck with LEH just like everyone else he pays his $15 but don't pay for license (he has only gotten the draw once for a elk )
So the LEH effects us all
 
Generally in BC if there is a limited entry hunt (LEH) half the quota of the hunt goes to the local first nation and half to all BC residents. So around here the boys on the res also have to win a draw for an LEH within their band for elk with much better odds obviously. So what's changed with this allocation policy in this kind of case is the LEH numbers for the local first nation would remain unchanged but the quota to everyone else will be reduced to pay back the GOABC for its donations to the BC Liberal party in the form of more hunting quota.
 
Generally in BC if there is a limited entry hunt (LEH) half the quota of the hunt goes to the local first nation and half to all BC residents. So around here the boys on the res also have to win a draw for an LEH within their band for elk with much better odds obviously. So what's changed with this allocation policy in this kind of case is the LEH numbers for the local first nation would remain unchanged but the quota to everyone else will be reduced to pay back the GOABC for its donations to the BC Liberal party in the form of more hunting quota.

I still don't like it and I signed the petition as have all my family and Friends
 
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Even if they knocked a 0 off the number, 500 is still too many.

I sure hope this rattles the First Nations crowd.
If anyone can stop this utter non-sense, this group can and should.
 
I don't know what the heck is happening to our province. Opportunities are dwindling whether it be through reduced availability of tags, closure of seasons, shortening of seasons, Native blockades, greed from the GOABC and so on.

One year after the Liberals were elected they passed an act:

The Hunting and Fishing Heritage Act
[SBC 2002] CHAPTER 79

Assented to November 26, 2002

Preamble

WHEREAS hunting and fishing are an important part of British Columbia's heritage and form an important part of the fabric of present-day life in British Columbia;

WHEREAS hunters and anglers contribute to the understanding, conservation, and management of fish and wildlife in British Columbia;

WHEREAS hunting and fishing should be recognized as legitimate forms of recreation and as legitimate tools with which to effectively manage the fish and wildlife of British Columbia;

THEREFORE HER MAJESTY, by and with the advice and consent of the Legislative Assembly of the Province of British Columbia, enacts as follows:
Right to hunt and fish

1 A person has the right to hunt and fish in accordance with the law.


How does the way the government deals with Resident tag allocation mesh with the ideology of the Hunting and Fishing Heritage Act?

It's disgusting.
 
I don't know what the heck is happening to our province. Opportunities are dwindling whether it be through reduced availability of tags, closure of seasons, shortening of seasons, Native blockades, greed from the GOABC and so on.

One year after the Liberals were elected they passed an act:




How does the way the government deals with Resident tag allocation mesh with the ideology of the Hunting and Fishing Heritage Act?

It's disgusting.

What dos nave blockades have to do with LEH
If the BC and federal Government would negotiate in good faith there would be no need for blockades
Blaming natives will not help you
We all have famly and Friends that ar not status Indian and some of them I actually like and enjoy their company when Out hunting or fishing
 
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What dos nave blockades have to do with LEH
If the BC and federal Government would negotiate in good faith there would be no need for blockades
Blaming natives will not help you
We all have famly and Friends that ar not status Indian and some of them I actually like and enjoy their company when Out hunting or fishing

Please read my post carefully.
 
Oh this happens all the time here in BC. Roosevelt Elk, Grizzly and Bison are three species which have ZERO general open season, but guides get their annual quota. Moose hunting opportunities are severely curtailed throughout the vast majority of the province. In some areas the draw odds are 30:1 or worse...but of course the guides get their quotas.

This is a crime if there ever was one. Residents of the province in question should always have first dibs.
 
I read it carefully
To be a politician it is mandatory to be a cheat and a liar.
This is turning into the old political game of divide and conquer but I don't go down with out a fight

I don't think so bud, there are some road blocks up north and in the Caribou but like you say that's a totally separate issue. I know 1899 from this and other forums and please don't take what he says as a shot that's not how he rolls. This allocation policy is way huger than any other minor irritants to hunting for us that's the bottom line.

A petition from your people? Why the hell not? There's a lot of reasons for BC citizens to be against this sell off of resources its not sitting well with non hunting people of all walks of life either. The government needs to hear from all sources that its not OK to give public recourses to their friends!

Yours in conservation;

Dan
 
I read it carefully
To be a politician it is mandatory to be a cheat and a liar.
This is turning into the old political game of divide and conquer but I don't go down with out a fight

OK, I'll break it down for you. Here is my initial post:
I don't know what the heck is happening to our province. Opportunities are dwindling whether it be through reduced availability of tags, closure of seasons, shortening of seasons, Native blockades, greed from the GOABC and so on.

One year after the Liberals were elected they passed an act:




How does the way the government deals with Resident tag allocation mesh with the ideology of the Hunting and Fishing Heritage Act?

It's disgusting.

Opportunities are dwindling. Reasons include:
1. reduced tags - example - Grizzly 100% LEH, moose LEH reductions
2. season closures - example Caribou, region 3 3/4 curl ram GOS, late season muzzle loader moose, "regular" bull moose season, etc
3. shortened seasons - example - deer used to be open until Dec 15 in many northern regions, now early or mid November + rut closures
4. Native blockades - examples Klappan and Cariboo region, not to mention the stuff that goes on North of Dease Lake
5. greed from GOABC - self explanatory
6. other reasons - exploding wolf and black bear populations, devastated moose populations, areas opened wide due to pine beetle etc.

So then, which of the above do not translate to reduced opportunities? Do you say that the above statements are not true? What exactly do you want to fight about? And what exactly has the government done to prevent these things and to support hunters?
 
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OK, I'll break it down for you. Here is my initial post:


Opportunities are dwindling. Reasons include:
1. reduced tags - example - Grizzly 100% LEH, moose LEH reductions
2. season closures - example Caribou, region 3 3/4 curl ram GOS, late season muzzle loader moose, "regular" bull moose season, etc
3. shortened seasons - example - deer used to be open until Dec 15 in many northern regions, now early or mid November + rut closures
4. Native blockades - examples Klappan and Cariboo region, not to mention the stuff that goes on North of Dease Lake
5. greed from GOABC - self explanatory
6. other reasons - exploding wolf and black bear populations, devastated moose populations, areas opened wide due to pine beetle etc.

So then, which of the above do not translate to reduced opportunities? Do you say that the above statements are not true? What exactly do you want to fight about? And what exactly has the government done to prevent these things and to support hunters?

I was sporting you up till you start blaming native blockades we are not the problem just like your not the problem
I hope we put the blame where it obviously belongs BC government
 
1899 I don't blame him for being a bit defensive bringing up FN road block issues which don't have anything to do with the policy. I have yet to see any FN hunting issues end up a positive discussion on the internet unfortunately. Pretty sure we just have a misunderstanding here. Q Rodney King...
 
Efforts are not being lost here just got word the MLA in the Peace region has more activity on this issue than the site C dam that was just announced in their area. Also the minister's face book was down due to traffic. If we can keep up the pressure we might get some where on this.
 
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I was sporting you up till you start blaming native blockades we are not the problem just like your not the problem
I hope we put the blame where it obviously belongs BC government

I am not saying anything about the cause or justification of Native blockades. I know about the Indian Act, I know about Duncan Campbell Scott, I know how S.141 of the Indian Act was used to thwart land claims almost 100 years ago, etc etc. That is not the point of my post at all. The point is simply that opportunities for Resident hunters are rapidly and steadily declining in BC.

1899 I don't blame him for being a bit defensive bringing up FN road block issues which don't have anything to do with the policy. I have yet to see any FN hunting issues end up a positive discussion on the internet unfortunately. Pretty sure we just have a misunderstanding here. Q Rodney King...

He can be defensive all he wants but the fact of the matter is that the Resident hunters will end up holding the bag. The Natives have the legal RIGHT to hunt and their right supersedes every other user groups rights. There is nothing that can/will be done to change that. It is something we simply have to live with. The GOABC has now managed to poach a large chunk of what remains for their own bank account's benefit and for the benefit of wealthy foreigners. The Resident hunters have to fight for the scraps. It's quite frustrating.

BTW the reason most FN hunting issues go sideways is because most folks are not aware of the history of the matter. Plus there are a few rotten apples in the bunch (on both sides). Whatever, I don't want to derail your well intentioned thread so I won't comment any more on other factors. I'm just angry.
 
How was the 5,000 number calculated? The number I've most commonly heard is 690 which is significant in its own right but just curious how the 5,000 was arrived at?
 
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