58 vs. 58L vs. 858 (looking for info)

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I am looking for some info on the 58, 858, and the 58L. Factual information if it is available.

1- When these three guns are converted to semi-auto, my understanding is that it was/is done differently. What exactly is the difference in the SEMI conversions.

(I remember that the first 58s that showed had an epoxy in the trigger area, do the 58Ls also have the epoxy? I have an 858 and there is no epoxy on/in it that I can find. The conversion to SEMI looks really clean - I have no idea what was ground off or welded into it.)

2- Anyone have a few different ones and are you willing to take pics of the differences between the 58, 858 and 58L SEMI conversions.

I am not asking about the finish, origine of the parts, barrel length, or if there is chrome in the barrel.

FYI - IF YOU ARE ADDING PICS... THERE IS NOTHING MORE ANOYING THAN BLURRY PICTURES THAT IN THE END DONT REALLY SHOW ANYTHING. There is a Macro option for close in on most cameras....

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Honestly I could go for the same info. I want a non-restricted one so I can go shooting anywhere with it but the seemingly minor differences have me very confused.
 
My VZ58 has a lump of metal welded into place where the auto parts are suppose to go. I don't have a camera good enough to take a picture better than the one you posted though.
 
Bondo said:
According to Wikipedia the CZ858 is a Semi auto only, not a converted semi-auto. that is why it is not an AK variant.
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Oh for christ sakes...
It's not an AK variant because it isn't a god damn AK in the slightest.

The original, restricted VZ58's that came into Canada were built using regular full-auto capable VZ58 receivers. Epoxy was added to not allow the installation of the auto components. This is not a converted auto because the receivers used were never assembled into full-autos, hence you can't convert something when it never was that in the first place.

The CZ858 was don't in much the same way, with a longer barrel, except I think they did some welding inside the receivers.

I have no clue if the VZ58L is done the same way.
 
cancer said:
My VZ58 has a lump of metal welded into place where the auto parts are suppose to go. I don't have a camera good enough to take a picture better than the one you posted though.
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same here on my cz858 , where the full auto sear goes, its welded.
 
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I agree^, Please dont post comments of that sort, it looks really bad to any ignorant anti's lurking about.

Anyway My CZ858 is welded inside as well. VZ58L's are probably the best bet, I don't think they get the stupid gremlin like the CZ858's do.
 
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ARMEDSASK: Now this man gets the picture 100%....
We are the folks that got first approval on the VZ-58, it is NOT a variant of the because not one single component fits the AK, that simple....
It is NOT a coverted auto because it was NEVER assembled as a full auto....

NORSEMAN:
Congrats on that statement, just what we need.... Who needs enemies when we have folks like you ??
You know as well as I do that almost any SA can be coverted to an FA it is the nature of the beast, BUT why give the impression that this can be accomplished by any person out there.

Like I always say, we don't need to worry about the Feds, as a group, shooters and collectors will destroy themselves.
JOHN
 
johnone said:
ARMEDSASK: Now this man gets the picture 100%....
We are the folks that got first approval on the VZ-58, it is NOT a variant of the because not one single component fits the AK, that simple....
It is NOT a coverted auto because it was NEVER assembled as a full auto....

NORSEMAN:
Congrats on that statement, just what we need.... Who needs enemies when we have folks like you ??
You know as well as I do that almost any SA can be coverted to an FA it is the nature of the beast, BUT why give the impression that this can be accomplished by any person out there.

Like I always say, we don't need to worry about the Feds, as a group, shooters and collectors will destroy themselves.
JOHN
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Ilovepotatos is in the wrong not Norsman......
 
johnone said:
NORSEMAN:
Congrats on that statement, just what we need.... Who needs enemies when we have folks like you ??
You know as well as I do that almost any SA can be coverted to an FA it is the nature of the beast, BUT why give the impression that this can be accomplished by any person out there.

Like I always say, we don't need to worry about the Feds, as a group, shooters and collectors will destroy themselves.
JOHN
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LIKE ME?
Hey John, I wasnt the dude posting how ####in easy it is, Lighten up eh?
 
Bondo said:
According to Wikipedia the CZ858 is a Semi auto only, not a converted semi-auto. that is why it is not an AK variant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa_vz._58

also see the VZ58 thread at the top of this forum. It has all the info and more you could want on these rifles.
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dude I'm sure other guys already corrected you, but I don't have patience to read the whole thread, and misinformation is the bane of the canadian gun community. The damn VZ isn't a damn AK because it is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. The same way a honda isn't a mercedes just because it has doors wheels and a motor.


VZ is a short stroke tilting lock striker operated rifle

AK is a long stroke rotating bolt hammer operated rifle.

COMPLETELY different.
 
this whole stupid thread should be deleted.


The misinformation portrayed throughout is just the kind of #### some sneaky liberal reporter would love to lap up.
 
hfp75 said:
I am looking for some info on the 58, 858, and the 58L. Factual information if it is available.

1- When these three guns are converted to semi-auto, my understanding is that it was/is done differently. What exactly is the difference in the SEMI conversions.

(I remember that the first 58s that showed had an epoxy in the trigger area, do the 58Ls also have the epoxy? I have an 858 and there is no epoxy on/in it that I can find. The conversion to SEMI looks really clean - I have no idea what was ground off or welded into it.)
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OK back on track with this thread.. I was NOT asking about AKs... and I will openly admit that I used the terms SEMI conversion wrong (lapse of judgement on my part)... I will rephrase it like this...

'What are the differences in the receivers from the 3 models...' as I am considering a 58L and would like to educate myself in the differences in the receivers... welding, expoxy... ect ect... I already understand and know that they were never 'assembled FA' and as such they are NOT actually what is defined as 'converted' here in Canada... I am looking for real information and if you cannot directly answer my question please dont post.
 
Bondo said:
According to Wikipedia the CZ858 is a Semi auto only, not a converted semi-auto. that is why it is not an AK variant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa_vz._58

also see the VZ58 thread at the top of this forum. It has all the info and more you could want on these rifles.
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others have already spanked you, but as i've said before wikipedia is NOT a valid reference tool in almost every case....
 
hfp75 said:
I am looking for some info on the 58, 858, and the 58L. Factual information if it is available.

1- When these three guns are converted to semi-auto, my understanding is that it was/is done differently. What exactly is the difference in the SEMI conversions.

(I remember that the first 58s that showed had an epoxy in the trigger area, do the 58Ls also have the epoxy? I have an 858 and there is no epoxy on/in it that I can find. The conversion to SEMI looks really clean - I have no idea what was ground off or welded into it.)

2- Anyone have a few different ones and are you willing to take pics of the differences between the 58, 858 and 58L SEMI conversions.

I am not asking about the finish, origine of the parts, barrel length, or if there is chrome in the barrel.

FYI - IF YOU ARE ADDING PICS... THERE IS NOTHING MORE ANOYING THAN BLURRY PICTURES THAT IN THE END DONT REALLY SHOW ANYTHING. There is a Macro option for close in on most cameras....
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They are not converted. ANY CONVERTED GUN FROM FULL-AUTO IS PROHIBITED. Talking about conversion isn't good idea and I'm not even sure it's allowed by forum rules. By the way, the minimum you're going to get for making full-auto is 5 years in jail

As for diferent models:

VZ-58 (actually called Sport 2003) is semi-auto version of VZ-58 with all parts of military specs on semi-auto receiver without full auto parts.

VZ-858-2 is specially made model for Canada, which has a specially made extra long barrel that makes it non-restricted. The downside is that the barrel is not chrome lined.

VZ-58L is the same as VZ-858 but with chrome-lined barrel.
 
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