Which one would you go for. I bought a Marlin 795SS, but have had major issues with it right out of the box. Will be returning it. Still thinking about taking a risk with a significantly cheaper blued 795 model. Would you guys pass on that, and stay clear of the blued 795 also? I'm thinking to go with the 597 route. The 10/22, with the clunky mag and plastic barrel band just doesn't have those sleek good looks, and nicely tapered medium barrel that the 795 has. The weight of the 795 feels really good in the hands too. Come to think of it, the 597 doesn't look all that great either, but I'm considering it for the much better pricing over the 10/22 when comparing it to a Marlin. Should I take a risk and try for a blued 795 this time? After handling the 795, nothing else interests me, but the reliability and defects are a huge concern. Staying far away from the Savage 64 mag release. It's really too bad, it looked like a nice rifle. Whoever designed that mag release should hang their heads down in shame. I know reliability is an issue with all .22LRs, but I would still like to strike a balance between reliability and good looks. What would you guys do, and why?
597 vs 795?
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Dude, the 795 and the 597 are made in the same factory by the same workers and the same Q/C. You take your chances these days. If you like the 795 I don't think you should be too jaded... It was likely more of a lebaron issue that screwed you over. Besides, the odds of you getting a lemon twice in a row are pretty slim. As for the blued vs stainless... Mostly esthetics and cost factors, but the SS is also more weather resistant and prettier IMHO. Not to mention the 795 is a better engineered design, 6 o'clock firing pin etc... And likely more accurate and reliable.
I'm sure you want to hear it from more people than just me... So come on CGN'ers if you own a 795 or 597 give him a review. I'm just a heavily bias marlin guy over here.
I'm sure you want to hear it from more people than just me... So come on CGN'ers if you own a 795 or 597 give him a review. I'm just a heavily bias marlin guy over here.
I just picked up a 597 and had a chance to take it out to the range. Just under 400 rounds no FTF's, FTE's, zero feed issues, overall way better than expected. I wasn't doing any benchmark testing, just trying to sight in the red-dot, but the gun seemed quite accurate once it was all sorted. This was all done with cheap bulk CCI blazer ammo (which the store that I bought it from was kind enough to throw in for free!). Fed using both the factory 10-round and remington 30-round banana clip. Even when dumping ammo to try and induce a jam failed to produce any issues, it cycled as fast as I could pull the trigger.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, value for money, the 597 seems to be a great gun, especially so given the current Remington rebate. Much more "man-sized" and solid feeling than the mossberg .22 tactical I planned on picking up originally. Decent aftermarket support, seemingly reliable can't go wrong.
That being said I haven't handled a 795, but if they are made in the same factory, with the same QA then perhaps you just have rotten luck.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, value for money, the 597 seems to be a great gun, especially so given the current Remington rebate. Much more "man-sized" and solid feeling than the mossberg .22 tactical I planned on picking up originally. Decent aftermarket support, seemingly reliable can't go wrong.
That being said I haven't handled a 795, but if they are made in the same factory, with the same QA then perhaps you just have rotten luck.
If you were going to get another 795 or 795SS, would you want one from the new factory or from the old one? Or you're unbiased? I think I'll give it another shot with the 795. They're getting harder and harder to find now. Just something about the feel of it that turns me on. I just can't stay mad at it. Don't tell my gf!
I had the one from the old "disgruntled" factory. I've heard Marlin has shutdown the whole line for the 795, and building new machines for it. That's what Le Baron said. So, I'm guessing the new factory was having some major issues if they needed to build new machines for the line. As far as I know, all production has ceased, that is if Le Baron information is accurate.
If you were going to get another 795 or 795SS, would you want one from the new factory or from the old one? Or you're unbiased? I think I'll give it another shot with the 795. They're getting harder and harder to find now. Just something about the feel of it that turns me on. I just can't stay mad at it. Don't tell my gf!
Well, i cant comment on what lebaron has said because i just dont know... But they may be re-tooling certain areas of the production line, thats not uncommon.
As for new or old factory... I have a 60ss and 70pss both made in the old factory the year they shut down, 2009, and they are 2 of my most accurate and reliable guns. Certainly by a long shot the most accurate semi auto's ive ever owned, but i havent owned a T/C R55. So honestly i can't buy too much into the theory that the workers were disgruntled and mistreating the rifles before they left the old factory. The new factory on the other hand clearly has a bad reputation for poor quality control. Also worth mentioning is that remington for some time now has been assembling new marlins from older stock parts, and it is possible to buy a gun made at the remington plant to a poor standard, that is composed entirely of marlin made new haven parts, making its true place of birth almost impossible to uncover.
What you are buying in the end is a good design... how it has been executed at the factory is the risk. I would have no hesitations buying either though, mind you i'd prefer to inspect it in person before making a buy, or buy a used one with a proven history of reliable performance.
Hope this helps.
What you say makes a lot of sense. I never considered they could be assembling them at the new factory from the old parts. Guess it doesn't even make sense for it to matter from what factory you get it from. At this point, I will be glad just to get another Marlin without it being damaged, or used. Or both! =D
I've own/ed both. My experience:
Similarities:
-Mechanical last shot bolt hold open.
-Comparable accuracy
-Reliable feeding (haven't run into the feeding problems experienced by others yet)
-Metal barrel, aluminum receiver & plastic trigger housing
-Both triggers are functional, but not good if you're in to making neat little holes.
Marlin 795
Pros
-Light weight.
-Compact action makes for compact gun.
-Solid design.
-Solid magazines.
Cons
-Lack of aftermarket support.
-Stock not so great for some adults.
-Action disassembles into 3 pieces: Trigger and trigger guard, the bolt part, and the middle part that connects everything. May not be a con for those who like easy access to working parts, but it always seemed like a mess to me.
-Sights are functional, but sparse.
Rem. 597
Pros
-Adult oriented stock
-Better & more sophisticated iron sights
-Simple takedown and much more streamlined production.
-More and designed for aftermarket support.
-Drop free magazines.
-30 round magazines.
-Mag release is great for long fingers
Cons
-Mag release is terrible for short fingers
-How the charging handle is put on the bolt is down right stupid.
-The guide rods are more difficult to assemble, but with practice, not too hard.
-Use of different hex screws for disassembly (stock and guide rods). I know this isn't that much of a concern, but I find it annoying compared to carrying a flat head screwdriver for other rifles.
As you can tell, I'm just nitpicking at their designs. They both offer high value in their price points. That is the under $200 market where they are pitted up against the Mossberg 702 (shares some of the 795's design) and Savage 64. I think it comes down to personal preference more than anything. I'm more of a Marlin man, myself, though I prefer a different stock. The deal breaker for me was that the 795 didn't have a 10+ magazine. I know it's silly, but I'd rather carry a Marlin 60 and a pouch of loose .22lr's rather than a bunch of mags. For a mag fed semi, I picked the 597. More fun to play with and easier to modify. I think you got a lemon and if you liked the 795, I'd give it another go.
Similarities:
-Mechanical last shot bolt hold open.
-Comparable accuracy
-Reliable feeding (haven't run into the feeding problems experienced by others yet)
-Metal barrel, aluminum receiver & plastic trigger housing
-Both triggers are functional, but not good if you're in to making neat little holes.
Marlin 795
Pros
-Light weight.
-Compact action makes for compact gun.
-Solid design.
-Solid magazines.
Cons
-Lack of aftermarket support.
-Stock not so great for some adults.
-Action disassembles into 3 pieces: Trigger and trigger guard, the bolt part, and the middle part that connects everything. May not be a con for those who like easy access to working parts, but it always seemed like a mess to me.
-Sights are functional, but sparse.
Rem. 597
Pros
-Adult oriented stock
-Better & more sophisticated iron sights
-Simple takedown and much more streamlined production.
-More and designed for aftermarket support.
-Drop free magazines.
-30 round magazines.
-Mag release is great for long fingers
Cons
-Mag release is terrible for short fingers
-How the charging handle is put on the bolt is down right stupid.
-The guide rods are more difficult to assemble, but with practice, not too hard.
-Use of different hex screws for disassembly (stock and guide rods). I know this isn't that much of a concern, but I find it annoying compared to carrying a flat head screwdriver for other rifles.
As you can tell, I'm just nitpicking at their designs. They both offer high value in their price points. That is the under $200 market where they are pitted up against the Mossberg 702 (shares some of the 795's design) and Savage 64. I think it comes down to personal preference more than anything. I'm more of a Marlin man, myself, though I prefer a different stock. The deal breaker for me was that the 795 didn't have a 10+ magazine. I know it's silly, but I'd rather carry a Marlin 60 and a pouch of loose .22lr's rather than a bunch of mags. For a mag fed semi, I picked the 597. More fun to play with and easier to modify. I think you got a lemon and if you liked the 795, I'd give it another go.
I'm going to try the marlin route again and hope for the best. I'm hoping that, one day, Remington will put out a quality 25+ mag for the 795. I think that's what's really holding it back from being more competitive with the 10/22s. To me, besides a good after market trigger option, the high cap mag is the only after market part that the 795 really needs. I just wish I could get those Tech Sights, and DIP picatiny rails up here in Canada.
Personally I like quality bolt action guns .but if I were going to spent the money for a semi 22 it would be the 10-22 for the simple reason that there are so many after market parts available for that platform.not mension that there simple in design and easy to maintain.have you looked at the delux version of the 10-22 ?
Well, I haven't shot my 795 but for the $100 I have invested in it (if/when my rebate comes back ) it would have to be pretty bad to have any real complaints. I'll let you know though.
I like the slight size/low weigh of it and the mags seem well made/priced. The desire for high-capacity magazines in this forum seems to hit fever pitch at times. I can't, for the life of me, understand why anyone would choose (or not choose) a gun based on whether or not you had "spray and pray"-capacity magazines available for it~and I PREFER box mags. I can only imagine how the "tube-fed" guys feel when they read about the 25-rounders. lol My Anschutz has 5 and 10 round magazines and I never even use the 10-round ones~hate the fact that they stick out of the stock by about 1-1/2"! lol
Anyhow, this 795 is the only .22lr semi I own and it likely will be the only .22lr semi I own for some time. Only QC issue I see is the wonky/crooked rear sight. If I didn't have scope plans for my Marlin, I might not have even chosen this rifle~I don't think they're even serviceable. I'll check-in with a range/sight-in report after Christmas.
) it would have to be pretty bad to have any real complaints. I'll let you know though. I like the slight size/low weigh of it and the mags seem well made/priced. The desire for high-capacity magazines in this forum seems to hit fever pitch at times. I can't, for the life of me, understand why anyone would choose (or not choose) a gun based on whether or not you had "spray and pray"-capacity magazines available for it~and I PREFER box mags. I can only imagine how the "tube-fed" guys feel when they read about the 25-rounders. lol My Anschutz has 5 and 10 round magazines and I never even use the 10-round ones~hate the fact that they stick out of the stock by about 1-1/2"! lol
Anyhow, this 795 is the only .22lr semi I own and it likely will be the only .22lr semi I own for some time. Only QC issue I see is the wonky/crooked rear sight. If I didn't have scope plans for my Marlin, I might not have even chosen this rifle~I don't think they're even serviceable. I'll check-in with a range/sight-in report after Christmas.
I love my Marlin 795-except for the trigger.My 60 year old Mossberg trigger is far superior.I think they held a contest to see who could come up with the trigger that was the heaviest and had the most creep-and went with that one.However-there are a couple of U-TUBE tutorials on modifying it ,and I'm trying those,beginin with the JB Weld trigger job to reduce creep.I'll try changing springs and cutting one round off one of them.
I've been wondering this myself, after I run through this brick of cci blazers I wanted to try some of the CCI hypervelocity stuff. The owner's manual of the 597 does not specifically mention to stay away from the hyper-velocity stuff, and from what I've gathered online it seems to be okay...Confirmation from someone else with a 597 would be great.
I just bought a 597 VTR. It misfired 50% of the time during the first shoot and the magazine would not push the ammo to the top (for 150 rounds or so). I took the rifle and magazine apart and I cleaned them really well. I then tried three other brands of ammo, out of 200 rounds I only had one misfire, but I had a few casings get pinched on their way out as the bolt came forward to load another round. This only happened four time though which I beleive may be an extracter issue that is easily fixed.
What I gather from inexpensive rimfire rifles is that they all have problems, some rifles more than others. I don't mean some brands more than others I mean you can end up with a lemon with any manufacturer. This is my second 597 and the first one never had any problems.
Just remember that most of the time people post because there is something wrong with their rifle rather than posting to say how well it worked.
What I gather from inexpensive rimfire rifles is that they all have problems, some rifles more than others. I don't mean some brands more than others I mean you can end up with a lemon with any manufacturer. This is my second 597 and the first one never had any problems.
Just remember that most of the time people post because there is something wrong with their rifle rather than posting to say how well it worked.
597
I bought a 597 last summer at Lebaron for 170$. Initially I had some feeding problems when using Thunderbolt ammo, but after I switched to Federal there hasn't been any issues.
Lebaron wanted too much for extra 10 round mags but I found them at Epps for a better price. I've also had good experience with the 30 round mags as well.
Once I factor in a scope, rings, lens covers, swivels, a sling and of course bloody taxes I spent about 310 on the gun.
I'm also curious about being able to safely use CCI's stinger / higher velocity rounds.
I bought a 597 last summer at Lebaron for 170$. Initially I had some feeding problems when using Thunderbolt ammo, but after I switched to Federal there hasn't been any issues.
Lebaron wanted too much for extra 10 round mags but I found them at Epps for a better price. I've also had good experience with the 30 round mags as well.
Once I factor in a scope, rings, lens covers, swivels, a sling and of course bloody taxes I spent about 310 on the gun.
I'm also curious about being able to safely use CCI's stinger / higher velocity rounds.
Simply put, no blowback action rimfire should be used with hypervelocity ammo on a regular basis... now and then is ok.
Marlin saying you should never is simply a disclaimer, but honestly it had a pretty good bolt buffer in it, and ive used velocitors many times in my 60 with no problems.
Marlin saying you should never is simply a disclaimer, but honestly it had a pretty good bolt buffer in it, and ive used velocitors many times in my 60 with no problems.
So it's just the buffer that takes a beating, or does it pound the rest of the action too? If it's just the buffer, it doesn't sound too bad. Just need a couple extra buffers. Also, where can Canadians buy a Volquartsen hammer and extractor for the 597?
