6.5 British rifle in WWl?

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A fellow on Craigslist Vancouver is claiming to own a British WWI service rifle in 6.5. Ever heard of such a thing in active service?

He says:


"The 6.5 British was used in the first world war. It's a trench rifle and it's not common,it's (like I said) rare. Only 150,000 of them were made,and who knows how many still existing. Most of them were produced as training rifles because as I said it had the flattest trajectory of its time."

Wikipedia says:
In 1914 approximately 150,000 Arisaka Type 30 and Type 38 Rifles and Carbines were sold to British forces - mainly the Royal Navy, where they were used for training. The 6.5x50mm round was subsequently produced in Britain by the Kynoch company and was officially adopted for British service as the .256 inch caliber Mk II in 1917. The Arab armies organized by British Captain T. E. Lawrence to fight against the Ottoman Empire during World War I are purported to have been issued with Type 30 Rifles by the British in 6.5 mm though some have opined that the Bedouin forces mainly used captured Ottoman Mausers instead.[1] In all, the 6.5x50 mm Japanese semi-rimmed round has been used in either Japanese or domestically designed weapons by Japan, Russia, the United Kingdom, China, North Korea, South Korea, Thailand, Finland and Indonesia. Many of the British Naval Arisakas were given to the White Russians.
 
Mainly Naval use.... If interested get Tony Edwards book on British Secondary Arms. He is in the process of doing another book on handguns as well. If you are in London England Monday evening he is giving a talk to the Historical Breechloading Society at the Imperial War Museum on secondary arms.
 
Entire Czech divisions were armed with Arisakas.............less recoil and lighter than the 7.62 x54R...........Harold
 
And after production caught up with the Enfield, most were sent to Russia.
Ever wonder why the Hooked quillion PO7 bayonet looks a lot like a jap one?

Oh by the way if they were used only for training why are there pics of sailors on board ship with them?
 
Entire Czech divisions were armed with Arisakas.............less recoil and lighter than the 7.62 x54R...........Harold

The Czech Legion that frightened the Bolsheviks and then handed Admiral Kolchak over to them later?

Should have done themselves a favour and snuffed out the Bolsheviks while they had the chance.
 
The other WWI 6.5 was the 20000 Verguiro rifles swapped by Portugal to Britain for SMLEs and then issued to the Union of South Africa.
 
And after production caught up with the Enfield, most were sent to Russia.
Ever wonder why the Hooked quillion PO7 bayonet looks a lot like a Jap one?

Because it was adopted at a time when many bayonets featured a hooked quillion. As well, it was adopted pre-war which would put it in use prior to the adoption of the Arisaka as substitute standard.

Oh by the way if they were used only for training why are there pics of sailors on board ship with them?

Didn't a fair number of Krags make it to France before each doughboy got a .30-06?
 
Now I would love to find an arisaka bayonet with the broad arrow on it.

There was a pic sometime back of the first American troops arriving in France. The photo could easily have been taken during the Spanish-American war as all their equipment, other than the campaign hats, was the exactly the SAME.
I believe they were an advance party whose job was to set up the facilities for the rest of the AEF.
 
Here is a post card showing Scottish troops with the Arisaka (spelling?) rifle and bayonet.

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Higher resolution scan here:

http://www.wightman.ca/~enfield/scottish post card/London Scottish at Mimms high res.JPG

If you look closely, there are more in the background. Note the hooked quillion bayonet, dust cover on the bolt, straight bolt handle, and knurled "cocking" piece.
 
P1907 bayonet

Because it was adopted at a time when many bayonets featured a hooked quillion. As well, it was adopted pre-war which would put it in use prior to the adoption of the Arisaka as substitute standard.

The P-1907 was copied from the Arisaka bayonet after extensive trials. It's quite well documented. It is no coincidence that they look almost the same.
 
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