6.5 caliber bullets in a hunting rifle? compare them

Chago, this is my last post on your thread. I do not care for your disrespectful, confrontational, belligerent attitude. Here are a couple points that I have gleaned from your posts; you are a very inexperienced shooter, as you do not understand the fundamentals of shooting or recoil... I suspect that you are very young, from your inability to have a civil respectful conversation and from your readily apparent (and unfounded) arrogance.

Below are my final thoughts, young man;


Chago said:
ok this should start a hell of a war. Try to keep it clean folks. I am honestly debating building a hunting rifle in a McMillan stock in a 6.5 caliber bullet. 260, 6.5x55, 6.5 cree, 6.5x284. What is everyone thoughts on this? ... But how does it perform on a 1000lb moose? ...I'm asking at lets say up to 300 yards, in the boiler room is a 260 or others like it going to knock him dead? or are a trailing job?
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You were asking for thoughts a 6.5mm "moose" rifle... the posts responded to that.

Chago said:
I don't mean to call anyone a liar. I Just know anyone absolutely anyone will shoot s lesser recoil rifle better then a heavy recoil rifle. No matter who you are. Therefore you feel the recoil. I'll delete the previous post before it starts a arguement because I don't want that.
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You were already called out on your inappropriate posts earlier in the thread and deleted your comments...

Chago said:
Sorry I don't buy it. I own and regularly shoot a Savage 110 338 Lapua Magnum. Again prone or bench when your all nice and cozy with bags, rests, bipods etc is one thing. I don't care if your a US marine sniper. When you stand up and shoot standing while in the bush and turn to point at your target. Recoil matters...
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You have clearly done very little shooting to not understand that perceived recoil is much more intense shooting at a bench and even MORESO when shooting prone, due to body posture and the rigidity of these postures...

Chago said:
I would love to see group sizes of you and all your "non scared of recoil" friends. Shooting standing free hand 5 x 5 shot groups at 100 yards. Once with a 223 and once with a 300 win mag. With all do respect if you tell me there going to be equal your full of...
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You are of course again rude... and wrong. I can shoot a .300 WM just as accurately as a .223, because the recoil does nothing until "AFTER" the bullet is gone... I understand that this is difficult to grasp for a young fella... last fall when you graduated from your 10/22 your uncle bought you for your 15th birthday and you fired your first .243, it must have really startled you... and you have developed a real fear of anything larger... your imaginary .338 Lapua must really be frightening when you stop to imagine what it would be like.

Chago said:
My god, these people just won't go away. What fascination do you have with extreme overkill? we can argue this like religion and politics. Please people can we talk about 6.5 calibers and stop flexing muscles on how much recoil you can handle?
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"These people" won't go away because you invited them here asking for opinions... and then you antagonized them with rude and disrespectful behaviour and a clear lack of understanding of basic shooting facts.

Chago said:
Your really good at pulling items out of context... Just leave your not adding anything valuable to the thread. ... Because if you did and you needed to ask that you should be wearing a helmet in a padded room.
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You need a good spanking...

Chago said:
Mods I changed the title to try to weed out the magnum army. Can you please delete all the junk so we can actually discuss the question I had.
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The mods are likely to respond in a fashion that you are clearly not expecting...

Chago said:
From what I understand the creed more is hornadys version of the 260. It's gaining popularity because it achieves same velocity as 260 but at a much lower pressure I believe. So I guess you have a little ore cad capacity and some more room to make the load a hot one. I think that's the major difference. Not huge though.
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Incorrect... Hornady designed the CM to respond to the requests for a 6.5mm with a similar capacity to the .260, BUT a shorter case length to allow for seating bullets out further while still functioning in SA magazines and actions.

Chago... you need to grow up... but time will take care of that. Good Shooting.
 
Chago said:
ok this should start a hell of a war.................Any thoughts?
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Well, Yes the 6.5's in the Swedes power class are capable of taking moose but I would recommend going bigger for a dedicated moose gun.
Not knowing your abilities or if you hand load complicates things also since these smaller cartridges perform best with only the best bullets.
If you want high speeds in a 6.5 look at the 264 Win Mag. I have taken moose with this round and was very very careful with shot placement and distance.
A bigger gun gives you more confidence.
BB
 
Bartledan said:
Hey man. Mind if I ask why? I can't figure out the CM's reason for existing when the 260 Rem exists. What are your thoughts?
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Was settled on a 6.5x55 Ackley Improved build for a precision rifle, already have the barrel and reamer for it, but now thinking I would like a short action, hence 6.5 Creedmor.
 
I've killed or seen moose killed with everything from 6mm Remington to 58 Hawkens and from everywhere from mere yards to
400+ and inside their particular parameters all went down super unless a bad shot was made- like the one gut shot with a 375H&H that was killed at 150 yards with 308!
Several with the .58, one that had a neck broken at 90 paces .
the fact is, there is no magic cartridge and one has to hit an animal properly to kill it .
I Do most of my hunting with a custom built Ruger these days with a cartridge larger than the 6.5x55 but if I had a tag in my pocket and a moose was at 150 he would be on the ground with my 6.5. Express rifle .
even a light recoiling rifle needs to be shot well and many think that because they shoot a light kicker they don't have to practise
Cat
 
catnthehatt said:
I've killed or seen moose killed with everything from 6mm Remington to 58 Hawkens and from everywhere from mere yards to 400+ and inside their particular parameters all went down super unless a bad shot was made- like the one gut shot with a 375H&H that was killed at 150 yards with 308! Several with the .58, one that had a neck broken at 90 paces . the fact is, there is no magic cartridge and one has to hit an animal properly to kill it . I Do most of my hunting with a custom built Ruger these days with a cartridge larger than the 6.5x55 but if I had a tag in my pocket and a moose was at 150 he would be on the ground with my 6.5. Express rifle . even a light recoiling rifle needs to be shot well and many think that because they shoot a light kicker they don't have to practise
Cat
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Completely agree.
 
The thread has gone in right direction so Hoyt I'm not going to bother. The first person I was giving attitude to was to you and it was due to your condescending post. A condescending post that discussed why I shouldn't, or what I couldn't handle, ("new shooter?") etc. I asked to compare 6.5 calibers that's all.

Anyways... Big bull and everyone else. Is there any factory rifles in 264 win mag??? I've been looking for them everywhere. Seems like you get the highest velocity out of this caliber. No one seems to make them though? If 6.5x264 is a barrel burner the 264 win mag must be worse?
 
Chago said:
You keep talking about rifles you build. What you have for sale lol
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i don't build rifles- I assemble them from after market bolt on parts .

Leeper and Guntech build rifles!(grin)

I sold all my rifles I hunt with except for a couple that I will not , my 6.5x55 express gun is one and my Leeper built Ruger in .303 Brit isanother.
even sold my Mannlicher Schoenauer in 6.5x54. - still wondering about that but I got a good trade on it.
 
I want to find a 264 win mag and that seems to be a custom job. If I do one more custom my wife will customize the jar my balls will be in. I was hoping there was going to be a factory rifle. Mind you the factories available are going to be coopers etc which will cost as much as a custom lol
 
hoytcanon said:
Chago, this is my last post on your thread. I do not care for your disrespectful, confrontational, belligerent attitude. Here are a couple points that I have gleaned from your posts; you are a very inexperienced shooter, as you do not understand the fundamentals of shooting or recoil... I suspect that you are very young, from your inability to have a civil respectful conversation and from your readily apparent (and unfounded) arrogance.

Below are my final thoughts, young man;




You were asking for thoughts a 6.5mm "moose" rifle... the posts responded to that.



You were already called out on your inappropriate posts earlier in the thread and deleted your comments...



You have clearly done very little shooting to not understand that perceived recoil is much more intense shooting at a bench and even MORESO when shooting prone, due to body posture and the rigidity of these postures...



You are of course again rude... and wrong. I can shoot a .300 WM just as accurately as a .223, because the recoil does nothing until "AFTER" the bullet is gone... I understand that this is difficult to grasp for a young fella... last fall when you graduated from your 10/22 your uncle bought you for your 15th birthday and you fired your first .243, it must have really startled you... and you have developed a real fear of anything larger... your imaginary .338 Lapua must really be frightening when you stop to imagine what it would be like.



"These people" won't go away because you invited them here asking for opinions... and then you antagonized them with rude and disrespectful behaviour and a clear lack of understanding of basic shooting facts.



You need a good spanking...



The mods are likely to respond in a fashion that you are clearly not expecting...



Incorrect... Hornady designed the CM to respond to the requests for a 6.5mm with a similar capacity to the .260, BUT a shorter case length to allow for seating bullets out further while still functioning in SA magazines and actions.

Chago... you need to grow up... but time will take care of that. Good Shooting.
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ok I have been a 3 Rd generation moose hunter in bc and for the last 20 years a elk hunter
started with my styer 3006 on moose , them up to a tikkam65 7 mm mag .
Then once hunting elk every time the shots get longer . So after 40 years of elk and moose hunting
I decided to hang up the recoil and build a custom 6.5 x55 , Kreiger varmit barrel , mcmillain , Timmeys, sightron
its been 3 years with that little rifle . I practice all year long I don't stop for rain or snow .
I have been running charts out to 1200 yards .
this gun with 140 sst for under 400 and AMax out to 1000
has killed 8 deer and 2 elk . The last elk was 400 yards and 980 on the hoof .
This little gun punches golf ball size exit wounds into everything

sorry to all the 3006,308,300 guys
i would run this against all my other rifles

I have no recoil ( muzzle break )
i group .3 at 300 and 5-6 inches at 1000
it is like shooting a 22 on steroids

I ran the powder right up into the pressure signs an backed off just a little .
I would not recommend this load to very many I have tried it in 4 - 6.5 and only 2 can eat it .
I can't run this load on a day anything hotter than 27 Celsius

but it it stops everything . Now
 
Tikkam65 said:
ok I have been a 3 Rd generation moose hunter in bc and for the last 20 years a elk hunter
started with my styer 3006 on moose , them up to a tikkam65 7 mm mag .
Then once hunting elk every time the shots get longer . So after 40 years of elk and moose hunting
I decided to hang up the recoil and build a custom 6.5 x55 , Kreiger varmit barrel , mcmillain , Timmeys, sightron
its been 3 years with that little rifle . I practice all year long I don't stop for rain or snow .
I have been running charts out to 1200 yards .
this gun with 140 sst for under 400 and AMax out to 1000
has killed 8 deer and 2 elk . The last elk was 400 yards and 980 on the hoof .
This little gun punches golf ball size exit wounds into everything

sorry to all the 3006,308,300 guys
i would run this against all my other rifles

I have no recoil ( muzzle break )
i group .3 at 300 and 5-6 inches at 1000
it is like shooting a 22 on steroids

I ran the powder right up into the pressure signs an backed off just a little .
I would not recommend this load to very many I have tried it in 4 - 6.5 and only 2 can eat it .
I can't run this load on a day anything hotter than 27 Celsius

but it it stops everything . Now
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Well, as a first generation hunter... dang! :)
 
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