If you can not see the difference in shooting a target (paper/steel) than a 400 pound animal is not ethical at all in my book
What difference does the case and headstamp make? If the Creedmoor launches a 140gr bullet at 2700 and the Swede launches the same bullet at essentially the same speed, what would make one any more or less ethical than the other? Same as if you loaded a 308, a 30-06, and a 300 Winchester to the same velocity and used the same bullet. Would one of them be better than the other?
Nope, but those that buy into 6.5Cm Marketing hype might say and think otherwise..
The 6.5CM is a marketing dream come true. That it has crossed over into the hunting realm, is an unexpected and added bonus not only for Hornday but young and old shooters alike. While it performs admirably on Deer/Antelope/Sheep or Goat sized game, it is certainly is not the be-all and end-all of an all round cartridge when Elk or Moose are added like some tout as.
Once the bullet leaves the barrel the creedmoore doesn't do anything that the Swede hasn't been doing for 130 years. I have both, like them both, but realize ballistically they are the same.
Who? Where?
Never heard it mentioned as the be-all and end-all for anything. But the counter on how many times people complain about "hype" keeps on rolling.
I have seen guys on some hunting forums and on faceboook profess about how great a killer the Creedmoor is at extended ranges, and have been told that by other shooters at the range as well. Really though, isn't any different than any other cartridge in its class, but that does not make it an undesirable cartridgee for sure.
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It was stated that it is a "superior killer with better ballistics" , Flatter shooting being one .No, that I can see for sure. It isn't doing anything that no other cartridges are doing...or better. Were they claiming it was better than cartridges it is clearly not better than, or just saying it was a great killer at extended ranges?
Who? Where?
Never heard it mentioned as the be-all and end-all for anything. But the counter on how many times people complain about "hype" keeps on rolling.
I say I never heard it touted as the be-all, end all of anything, including an elk rifle.
You say people call it a long range elk rifle, and some **** about how I must live under a rock.
It was stated that it is a "superior killer with better ballistics" , Flatter shooting being one .
This normally comes from a newer shooter or hunter who has been watching some yutube videos.
My son actually forwarded a podcast to me from a well known company whose hosts were taken aback when they were informed about just how old the 6.5 Swede was!
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Actually that was me who stated it isn't the be-all or end-all of hunting cartridges.. It was based on people continually suggesting it for larger game beyond Deer/Sheep/Antelope size.
I know. But he quoted my reply to you in his irrelevant answer to what I said.
I get what you mean. So in your opinion, its too small for anything besides deer and speed goats. Got ya. I disagree, think its plenty appropriate for moose and elk with proper bullet selection and shooting, but that's cool. Not interested in changing your mind.
Was only pointing out I never heard anyone say it was the be-all and end-all cartridge, as you said some tout it to be. Never heard such touting.
It's all good. It's what these boards are for, to open up some healthy debate regardless of ones opinion on a subject.
A lot of these beloved classic military calibres date back to when machining tolerances were a tad more primitive than we have today, and then enough extra slop was added to keep functioning on a filthy battlefield. So no problem soldiering on all day! But the one thing that the 6.5 CM new kid in town may have is the lack of all that history; it was designed when better machine tools were available, tolerances are far tighter and more repeatable, chamber ballistics are better understood, there's no back-compatibility needed with anything from the olden days, and it's for a shooter who was able to wash his hands recently so you don't have to leave room for blood and mud in the chamber.