6.5 Grendel flinger of choice?
- Thread starter Joel
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I think they all end up in New Zealand!
Hahaha couldn't pull that thing off fast enough eh?
No worries! Just curious. The 7.62x39 rounds I loaded with 300 BLK bullets like the 110gr CX and 120gr Tac-Tx were like half a polymer tip too long to fit in a Mini 30 mag...if even.
If they fit in an internal that'd be pretty cool. Maybe get 2400 fps out of that .358 BC 120gr Tac TX instead of 2150 from a 16" 300 Blackout...
as it is right now, its doable it just makes the rifle into a single shot lol
Just whipped up a couple for you Joel. Looks like 2.400" is where your max COAL would be to run reliably in the Jefferson hinged granted you didn't hit the lands first. I should think that between 2300-2450fps would be doable with a stiff charge of CFE BLK as I was able to get 2480 from my 16" HAMR without much trouble and the X39 and the HAMR are nearly kissing cousins.
That's the only place I found them lol, not fair we have rainy weather in BC as well.
Just whipped up a couple for you Joel. Looks like 2.400" is where your max COAL would be to run reliably in the Jefferson hinged granted you didn't hit the lands first. I should think that between 2300-2450fps would be doable with a stiff charge of CFE BLK as I was able to get 2480 from my 16" HAMR without much trouble and the X39 and the HAMR are nearly kissing cousins.
Oh right on!!!
Thank you!!
Planning on using VV's data for N120 showing 2350 FPS from a 16 inch barrel for 123gr bullets and if the barrel length alone doesn't, working up to stiff CFE BLK loads as you said. Should do quite a bit better than a 300 BLK regardless!
I appreciate you giving that a go
20" .223 HV
2870fps with a 77gr TMK and a STIFF load of XBR ...yes I spend entirely too much time over on rokslide
LOL "Tell me you hang out at Rokslide without showing me a Stainless T3x Lite with a SS scope in Sportsmatch rings"
But they ain't wrong!
That 223 combo alone makes me really question whether having a 7.62x39 or 6.5 G is pragmatically worth it although the 6.5G with a 130gr TMK at 2500 fps must be a beast as well.
I just don't like lead all over inside a carcass...call me a hippie.
Any of these little AR mag length cartridges with the appropriate bullet is a wash on deer sized game out to 300.
I spent alot of time with the 6.5G back before COVID and was never really enamored by it. Is the 6.5G better performing on medium game past 300yds due to slippery bullets? Well,sure, but if I'm planning on shooting on live game past that then the 6.5 I'd reach for wouldn't have the letter G in it's name.
Now,more than ever I gravitate towards .30cal and .224 for the bulk of my recreational shooting due to component shortages/prices. The Nostradamus in me predicts things will get worse before they get better with Israel/Palestine now needing to feed their pew-pews.
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Hands down, a CZ 527. They are a wonderful design, including their single stacked, rattle-free mags. "They don't make them like that anymore".
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When one is available for $1250 with a spare mag, I couldn’t consider a Howa. The Howas are alright, but the 527s are little detachable mag BRNOs. If you like guns you know what that means.
After hearing all the hype about CZ's I ended up buying one around 4 years back and man was I let down. Sharp edges abound, creepy,gritty trigger. Balky feeding that scratched brass and a bolt that would bind at it's rearward travel if you didn't operate it "just right".
Stock was as flexible in the fore-end as a boiled spaghetti noodle,but, I do admit that it was synthetic and we know the wooden stock is a cut above and never prone to cracks.
In my example of one CZ, the multiple Howas I've owned were an equal or slightly better machined action. I don't use the factory dovetails and found they imparted limited options for mounts. The deep,rich bluing on the CZ was light years above the finish on the Howa but such is to expected when one costs 600$ and the other 1000$.
I have no doubt in my mind that with a few tweaks the 527 may have been serviceable for me, I mean,after all, I enjoy the smooth feeding and quick cycling of my Ruger American Ranchs so my standards must be pretty low.
Stock was as flexible in the fore-end as a boiled spaghetti noodle,but, I do admit that it was synthetic and we know the wooden stock is a cut above and never prone to cracks.
In my example of one CZ, the multiple Howas I've owned were an equal or slightly better machined action. I don't use the factory dovetails and found they imparted limited options for mounts. The deep,rich bluing on the CZ was light years above the finish on the Howa but such is to expected when one costs 600$ and the other 1000$.
I have no doubt in my mind that with a few tweaks the 527 may have been serviceable for me, I mean,after all, I enjoy the smooth feeding and quick cycling of my Ruger American Ranchs so my standards must be pretty low.
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I love my CZ527 varmint kevlar but yeah the detachable mag setup really sucks for carry. It sticks out right where I like to put my hand. I tolerate it on this particular rifle as I don't really carry it that much and it's just a well made accurate rifle. The mags are really bad for scratching the daylights out of the brass but a few minutes with a dremel polishing tip and compound and you can eliminate that. Trigger is also decent but no better than the Howa. If someone made a blind or hinged floor plate conversion for the CZ I would consider them the ultimate mini action.
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Respectfully, have another look at the 527, and the Howa and considering the machining differences. They exist in completely different worlds of manufacturing. Sadly, that’s why we’re seeing more Howas and Ruger Americans, less BRNOs / CZs.
I am not saddened at all and I expect my Howa mini to deliver just as long and accurate a service life as a CZ527.
If we are judging the two purely on aesthetics then I concede the CZ is the victor.
The reality of todays market is the 527 is now a 1000$ plus rifle used. I payed 650$ for my last mini from prophet River this past July.
Use that money to upgrade to a metal trigger guard and it becomes a wash. Both rifles are well built and durable. Ford vs Chevy.
The CZ527 is no Sako Vixen.
Not a matter of function but the scaled down mauser action is pretty darn cool.
CRF with a single stack mag seems like a winning combo I'm surprised we don't see more of.
Handy guns. Never had any issues carrying mine despite the mag but it has never had a scope so that might help
Different strokes, at one point I sold 30+ guns and the only one I kept was my 527.
The older models with the gusseted magwell and fixed sights are just plain stylish
CRF with a single stack mag seems like a winning combo I'm surprised we don't see more of.
Handy guns. Never had any issues carrying mine despite the mag but it has never had a scope so that might help
Different strokes, at one point I sold 30+ guns and the only one I kept was my 527.
The older models with the gusseted magwell and fixed sights are just plain stylish
Ruger GSR attempts it in theory with the AI pattern mag but it is blatantly push feed in actual operation.
Different strokes for sure, no bad choices listed in the thread so far.
One other option that I have no experience with but always wanted to try is a Zastava.
A couple months ago I bought a Ruger Ranch in 6.5 Grendel for a song. The gent I bought it from was having magazine feeding issues with the Mini 30 mag it came with. I had a MDT LSS stock I was intending on using for a Ranch in 7.62x39, swapped it with the Grendel instead and now it cycles perfectly with LAR-15 10 round mags.
I bought one of these for like 400 bucks from CanadaAmmo back in the day. Miss deals like that, but don't we all.
As far as I know it is a SAKO vixen clone. I liked the bottom metal and design but it had a tiny little bolt handle.
I got this one from Tenda for $800. Smooth as a push feed, they fixed the stock bedding in 2018 to prevent cracking, it's also sub moa with handloads, not bad with surplus.
Only problem it's it's a bit too pretty for the bush lol.
Only problem it's it's a bit too pretty for the bush lol.
