6 Dead, Dying, and Soon To Be Obsolete Handgun Cartridges

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6 Dead, Dying, and Soon-To-Be-Obsolete Handgun Cartridges

The one thing these handgun rounds have in common: they’re all on their way out

BY RICHARD MANN | PUBLISHED MAY 14, 2021 1:44 PM


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Six handgun cartridges on a white background.
These six cartridges had their chance, but all have or are rapidly headed to the graveyard. (left to right: 45 GAP, 41 Magnum, 32 H&R Magnum, 25 Auto, 40 S&W, 32 ACP.). Richard Mann

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Throughout history, many different handgun cartridges have been introduced. And there are many reasons cartridges find the graveyard. Some have lived long lives, others have had short but great runs, and some were doomed from birth to have an unloved existence. On this list, there are handgun loads that were bad ideas from the beginning and those that never lived up to their name. But, somewhere there’s someone, his two uncles, and their mother-in-law, who care about each and every one of them. Still, it doesn’t matter. With these cartridges, a little bit of love isn’t enough. These rounds are, or will soon be, about as dead as dead gets.

1. The 32 ACP: Lingering but unloved.

.32 ACP handgun cartridge.
The .32 ACP has been overshadowed by the .380. Richard Mann
Though it was the original sidearm of secret agent James Bond, even the Walther PPK can’t turn the .32 ACP into anything reasonably approaching a decent self-defense cartridge. However, in 1899 when it was introduced, it was well regarded, and since then it may have been chambered in more handgun models than any other cartridge. At one time, the little .32 ACP was very popular, especially in Europe, where its one true claim to fame is being the cartridge that killed Adolf Hitler. But in 1908, when the .380 ACP was introduced, it began putting nails in the .32 ACP’s coffin. Today that coffin is well sealed and all but buried. James Bond has moved on to other handguns and cartridges, and the rest of the world should follow his lead.

2. The .25 Auto: Better off with a shovel.

.25 Auto.
You’d have to be pretty optimistic to rely on a .25 Auto for self defense. Richard Mann

John Browning is possibly our greatest firearms designer. Not only did he give us the 1911 pistol, the 1894 Winchester rifle, and the Browning Auto-5 shotgun, he’s also responsible for the .45 Auto, and 50 BMG cartridges. But, in 1905 John Browning gave us something we would have probably been better off without—the .25 Auto. Its 45-grain bullet at 800 fps is anemic by any measure; a .22 Magnum is more powerful. My grandfather told me that back during prohibition when he was running shine, he watched a man empty a magazine of .25 Auto ammo into another man’s torso. That other man then went to his truck, got a shovel, and used that shovel to beat his attacker to death. And there you have it; you’re better off with a shovel than a .25 Auto. It wasn’t a good idea 116 years ago, and nothing has changed.

3. The .41 Magnum: The compromise no one wanted.

.41 Magnum revolver cartridge.
The .41 Magnum is the Goldilocks cartridge nobody is interested in anymore. Richard Mann
Introduced in 1964, the .41 Magnum was intended to be the ideal hunting handgun cartridge. It was also thought that cops who couldn’t handle .44 Mangum recoil would find it more appealing than the .357 Magnum. With support from the great Elmer Keith, the .41 Magnum was supposed to bridge the gap between the .357 and .44 Magnums. Though a few police departments adopted it, and a handful of hunters seemed to love it, it never fully developed any mass appeal. Today, with the proliferation of 10mm pistols and revolvers that offer great terminal performance with less recoil, it would appear that the .41 Magnum is headed for extinction. The .357 Magnum is easier to shoot, the .44 Magnum hits harder, and there’s just not enough Elmer Keith disciples left to appreciate or really need the compromise the .41 Magnum offers.

4. The .32 H&R Magnum: Not magnum enough.

.32 H&R Magnum handgun cartridge.
The .32 H&R Magnum just doesn’t have enough oomph to keep handgun hunters’ attention. Richard Mann
Introduced in 1982, the .32 H&R Magnum was a wonderful addition to Ruger’s Single Six. It offered more power than the .22 LR and the .22 Magnum, and it did not increase the size of the revolver. Unfortunately, as the .327 Federal Magnum has shown, the increase in power the .32 H&R Magnum offered was less than it should have been. The .32 H&R did develop a cult-like following, but it has struggled to survive since it was birthed. Common 85-grain .32 H&R Magnum loads have a muzzle velocity of about 1100 fps and generate about 220 foot-pounds of energy. By comparison, a 100-grain .327 Federal Magnum load has a velocity of about 1500 fps and will generate 500 foot-pounds of energy. Even though .32 H&R Magnum ammunition makes great light-recoiling practice loads for the fire-breathing .327, by itself it just never was “magnum” enough. Since it’s based on the .32 S&W Long, maybe a better name for it would have been the “.32 Extra Long.”

5. The .40 S&W: The FBI kills its own baby.

.40 Smith & Wesson.
The once-popular .40 S&W is fading into the background. Richard Mann

A 1986 shootout in Miami left the FBI looking to swap the 9mm for another duty cartridge. Maybe the FBI was partly influenced by suave Miami Vice character Sonny Crocket who carried a Bren Ten, but they ended up choosing the 10mm and a new service pistol, the S&W Model 1076. Ultimately, the Bureau had issues with the Model 1076, and they settled on the 40 S&W, which is essentially a 10mm short. This new .40-caliber cartridge could use high-capacity magazines like a 9mm and hit hard like a .45 Auto. The cartridge took law enforcement by storm, and soon cops and concealed carriers nationwide had the ultimate compromise cartridge. But nothing lasts forever. Shooters struggled to get good hits with the .40, and years of ammunition development advanced the lighter-recoiling 9mm’s terminal performance. In 2015, the FBI returned to the cartridge that failed them in 1986 and essentially killed the .40 S&W. Ironically, as the cartridge fades into forgottenness, its father—the 10mm—is once again climbing to stardom.

Read Next: The 10 Most Powerful Handguns in the World

6. The .45 GAP: A case of drunken engineers.

.45 GAP handgun cartridge.
The .45 GAP was supposed to be the ultimate carry cartridge, but shooters hardly cared about it. Richard Mann
Around 2002, it would seem some engineers at Glock spent a night drinking with some smart guys from Speer. Thinking they should produce their own fighting pistol cartridge to forever seal the legacy of Glock, they came up with the .45 Glock Auto Pistol (GAP) cartridge. The cartridge is the same length as the 9mm Luger and uses a small pistol primer. But it’s loaded with the same bullets and to the same pressure—23,000 psi—as .45 Auto +P ammunition. The idea was to offer .45 Auto performance out of a handgun with the same grip size as a 9mm. A couple of law enforcement agencies had chiefs who were apparently wooed by Glock to adopt the cartridge. But these affairs didn’t last long. Even though the cartridge, and Glock models 37, 38, and 39 it was chambered in, worked just fine, few shooters cared, and even fewer remember. The gap the GAP was supposed to fill was already being occupied by the .40 S&W.

Richard Mann
Richard Mann
Richard Mann was born and raised in West Virginia and has hunted from the Montana mountains to the green hills of Africa. In 2015, Mann began contributing to Field & Stream to cover guns, ammunition, ballistics, and hunting. In 2022, he was named as the brand’s Shooting Editor.



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Not much to argue with there, other than the fact that I don't see 32acp going anywhere anytime soon. Its not popular due to its lack of power from a self defense standpoint, but there are so many historical firearms - particularly European military guns - made in 32acp that it will continue its existence much the same as it has for the last few decades. Besides, there are still some manufacturers pumping out 32acp guns. I'm not sure the same can be said about the rest of these calibers (other than 40sw of course)?

41mag and 32h&r and 45GAP, all of those were pretty much dead on arrival weren't they?
 
The opinions on the .32s and .25 seem to me entirely from the perspective from a guy who lives in the contemporary USA, where so much of the pistol market is dedicated to CCW. Get away from people who are looking for day-to-day carry guns, and it loses validity.

The popularity of the .41 Mag doesn't seem to have faded a bit over the last 30 years. The original premise was silly, and it never got the popularity that was expected, but now that it has the attention of hunters and range shooters it has steady support. It's future would be grim though, if Ruger ever stopped making them, as I don't think anyone else does.
 
Media hype brought the 40 S&W into it's own. LEO depts. dumping it, was it's death blow.

It's ideal for someone struggling between the "what's best" quest: the 9 mm or the 45 ACP.
 
6 Dead, Dying, and Soon-To-Be-Obsolete Handgun Cartridges

The one thing these handgun rounds have in common: they’re all on their way out

BY RICHARD MANN | PUBLISHED MAY 14, 2021 1:44 PM


GUNS
Six handgun cartridges on a white background.
These six cartridges had their chance, but all have or are rapidly headed to the graveyard. (left to right: 45 GAP, 41 Magnum, 32 H&R Magnum, 25 Auto, 40 S&W, 32 ACP.). Richard Mann

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Throughout history, many different handgun cartridges have been introduced. And there are many reasons cartridges find the graveyard. Some have lived long lives, others have had short but great runs, and some were doomed from birth to have an unloved existence. On this list, there are handgun loads that were bad ideas from the beginning and those that never lived up to their name. But, somewhere there’s someone, his two uncles, and their mother-in-law, who care about each and every one of them. Still, it doesn’t matter. With these cartridges, a little bit of love isn’t enough. These rounds are, or will soon be, about as dead as dead gets.

1. The 32 ACP: Lingering but unloved.

.32 ACP handgun cartridge.
The .32 ACP has been overshadowed by the .380. Richard Mann
Though it was the original sidearm of secret agent James Bond, even the Walther PPK can’t turn the .32 ACP into anything reasonably approaching a decent self-defense cartridge. However, in 1899 when it was introduced, it was well regarded, and since then it may have been chambered in more handgun models than any other cartridge. At one time, the little .32 ACP was very popular, especially in Europe, where its one true claim to fame is being the cartridge that killed Adolf Hitler. But in 1908, when the .380 ACP was introduced, it began putting nails in the .32 ACP’s coffin. Today that coffin is well sealed and all but buried. James Bond has moved on to other handguns and cartridges, and the rest of the world should follow his lead.

2. The .25 Auto: Better off with a shovel.

.25 Auto.
You’d have to be pretty optimistic to rely on a .25 Auto for self defense. Richard Mann

John Browning is possibly our greatest firearms designer. Not only did he give us the 1911 pistol, the 1894 Winchester rifle, and the Browning Auto-5 shotgun, he’s also responsible for the .45 Auto, and 50 BMG cartridges. But, in 1905 John Browning gave us something we would have probably been better off without—the .25 Auto. Its 45-grain bullet at 800 fps is anemic by any measure; a .22 Magnum is more powerful. My grandfather told me that back during prohibition when he was running shine, he watched a man empty a magazine of .25 Auto ammo into another man’s torso. That other man then went to his truck, got a shovel, and used that shovel to beat his attacker to death. And there you have it; you’re better off with a shovel than a .25 Auto. It wasn’t a good idea 116 years ago, and nothing has changed.

3. The .41 Magnum: The compromise no one wanted.

.41 Magnum revolver cartridge.
The .41 Magnum is the Goldilocks cartridge nobody is interested in anymore. Richard Mann
Introduced in 1964, the .41 Magnum was intended to be the ideal hunting handgun cartridge. It was also thought that cops who couldn’t handle .44 Mangum recoil would find it more appealing than the .357 Magnum. With support from the great Elmer Keith, the .41 Magnum was supposed to bridge the gap between the .357 and .44 Magnums. Though a few police departments adopted it, and a handful of hunters seemed to love it, it never fully developed any mass appeal. Today, with the proliferation of 10mm pistols and revolvers that offer great terminal performance with less recoil, it would appear that the .41 Magnum is headed for extinction. The .357 Magnum is easier to shoot, the .44 Magnum hits harder, and there’s just not enough Elmer Keith disciples left to appreciate or really need the compromise the .41 Magnum offers.

4. The .32 H&R Magnum: Not magnum enough.

.32 H&R Magnum handgun cartridge.
The .32 H&R Magnum just doesn’t have enough oomph to keep handgun hunters’ attention. Richard Mann
Introduced in 1982, the .32 H&R Magnum was a wonderful addition to Ruger’s Single Six. It offered more power than the .22 LR and the .22 Magnum, and it did not increase the size of the revolver. Unfortunately, as the .327 Federal Magnum has shown, the increase in power the .32 H&R Magnum offered was less than it should have been. The .32 H&R did develop a cult-like following, but it has struggled to survive since it was birthed. Common 85-grain .32 H&R Magnum loads have a muzzle velocity of about 1100 fps and generate about 220 foot-pounds of energy. By comparison, a 100-grain .327 Federal Magnum load has a velocity of about 1500 fps and will generate 500 foot-pounds of energy. Even though .32 H&R Magnum ammunition makes great light-recoiling practice loads for the fire-breathing .327, by itself it just never was “magnum” enough. Since it’s based on the .32 S&W Long, maybe a better name for it would have been the “.32 Extra Long.”

5. The .40 S&W: The FBI kills its own baby.

.40 Smith & Wesson.
The once-popular .40 S&W is fading into the background. Richard Mann

A 1986 shootout in Miami left the FBI looking to swap the 9mm for another duty cartridge. Maybe the FBI was partly influenced by suave Miami Vice character Sonny Crocket who carried a Bren Ten, but they ended up choosing the 10mm and a new service pistol, the S&W Model 1076. Ultimately, the Bureau had issues with the Model 1076, and they settled on the 40 S&W, which is essentially a 10mm short. This new .40-caliber cartridge could use high-capacity magazines like a 9mm and hit hard like a .45 Auto. The cartridge took law enforcement by storm, and soon cops and concealed carriers nationwide had the ultimate compromise cartridge. But nothing lasts forever. Shooters struggled to get good hits with the .40, and years of ammunition development advanced the lighter-recoiling 9mm’s terminal performance. In 2015, the FBI returned to the cartridge that failed them in 1986 and essentially killed the .40 S&W. Ironically, as the cartridge fades into forgottenness, its father—the 10mm—is once again climbing to stardom.

Read Next: The 10 Most Powerful Handguns in the World

6. The .45 GAP: A case of drunken engineers.

.45 GAP handgun cartridge.
The .45 GAP was supposed to be the ultimate carry cartridge, but shooters hardly cared about it. Richard Mann
Around 2002, it would seem some engineers at Glock spent a night drinking with some smart guys from Speer. Thinking they should produce their own fighting pistol cartridge to forever seal the legacy of Glock, they came up with the .45 Glock Auto Pistol (GAP) cartridge. The cartridge is the same length as the 9mm Luger and uses a small pistol primer. But it’s loaded with the same bullets and to the same pressure—23,000 psi—as .45 Auto +P ammunition. The idea was to offer .45 Auto performance out of a handgun with the same grip size as a 9mm. A couple of law enforcement agencies had chiefs who were apparently wooed by Glock to adopt the cartridge. But these affairs didn’t last long. Even though the cartridge, and Glock models 37, 38, and 39 it was chambered in, worked just fine, few shooters cared, and even fewer remember. The gap the GAP was supposed to fill was already being occupied by the .40 S&W.

Richard Mann
Richard Mann
Richard Mann was born and raised in West Virginia and has hunted from the Montana mountains to the green hills of Africa. In 2015, Mann began contributing to Field & Stream to cover guns, ammunition, ballistics, and hunting. In 2022, he was named as the brand’s Shooting Editor.



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Didn't Hitler use his own Walther P38 to shoot himself in the head? I'm fairly certain the P38 was a 9mm handgun, not a .32acp.
 
The 32acp has had somewhat of a revival in the states with Bullseye competition shooters. Prohib in Canada of course.

That is not the case in bullseye guns , they are exempt from that stupid crap, mind you it is a short list.

Hitler did not use a P1,(38). He had a engraved PPK , a collector here owned it for a few years.
 
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Didn't Hitler use his own Walther P38 to shoot himself in the head? I'm fairly certain the P38 was a 9mm handgun, not a .32acp.

High ranking Reich officials were generally issued PPKs, which is what Hitler used to shoot himself in the head.

That is not the case in bullseye guns , they are exempt from that stupid crap, mind you it is a short list.

I believe all the .32s on the exemption list are .32 S&W Long, not ACP.
 
I may be mistaken but the .32 is not prohibited if it is chambered in a target pistol eg; walther ,Pardini. My bullseye centre fire pistol walther GSP is .32 S&w long and there are pardini sport pistols in .32 acp listed for sale in Canada.
 
High ranking Reich officials were generally issued PPKs, which is what Hitler used to shoot himself in the head.



I believe all the .32s on the exemption list are .32 S&W Long, not ACP.

Supposedly there was a 25 auto baby browning in the bunker exclusive room too. Was initially said to be carried by Eva Brown. It's whereabouts currently unknown. Hitler seen what happened to Mussolini and tried his best to avoid the same.
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Obselte does not mean useless. During early post Katrina, from Biloxi to Houston, any gunshop with any kind if decent inventory quickly sold out 9mm,40 Smith and 223.
12 gauge too.

But if you were in line for 38,357,357 Sig, 45 auto you were going to fill your order.
Gun shops also said federal cops sometimes would appear and jump the line for over the counter ammo.
But the feds were told by the higher ups, to leave the 12 gauge alone for locals.
 
Can't see the 40 going anywhere too fast. Maybe a slow decline - faster if it is dropped from competitions. Lots of 40s out there and lots of folks in the US still like it.

41 mag seems to still have a small but dedicated cult following. Unlikely to grow but who knows. They also said the 10mm is going to die and it is more popular than ever.
 
That is not the case in bullseye guns , they are exempt from that stupid crap, mind you it is a short list.

Hitler did not use a P1,(38). He had a engraved PPK , a collector here owned it for a few years.

Thanks for the correction. I can't imagine what Hitler's engraved PPK would sell for, and if it's what he used to shoot himself, I can only imagine it would add another $50K?
 
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