~$600 .223 without optics

[CyaN1de]

Opinions are just that....OPINIONS.

There is no right answer to your question.

Go to a store and look at (and fondle) both and see which YOU like better.

Just because Mr_Ima_Internet_Sniper shoots X-Brand does NOT mean that it the best thing since Jesus turned water into wine.

Now.......if I could turn water into wine.....everyone would be shooting a Remington XR.

 

[JBD]

A stock Remington 700 or a Stevens 200 with an aftermarket barrel, they're awfully close in price. Which will be the most precise with factory ammo for a beginner? (Or is there a better alternative?)

they are not both about 600

the stevens will cost quite a bit more than 600$

stevens 349+ 25 shipping+ tax 422

barrel 400$ +20$ shipping + tax 474

timney trigger 110 + tax 124

boyds stock 100$ + tax ship duties 150

Gunsmithing ie bedding swapping barrels ???100-200

So total price is 1270 to 1370 more than twice your 600$ budget.

People who buy the stevens to build a target rifle are doing so as it is the cheapest way to get an action. They are not purchasing it for the plastic stock.

 

[Jeromeo]

they are not both about 600

the stevens will cost quite a bit more than 600$

stevens 349+ 25 shipping+ tax 422

barrel 400$ +20$ shipping + tax 474

timney trigger 110 + tax 124

boyds stock 100$ + tax ship duties 150

Gunsmithing ie bedding swapping barrels ???100-200

So total price is 1270 to 1370 more than twice your 600$ budget.

People who buy the stevens to build a target rifle are doing so as it is the cheapest way to get an action. They are not purchasing it for the plastic stock.

Ohh dear I love that I only have to pay GST in this province. I feel bad for you HST payers.....

 

[2bad4u2]

?????

It's only a matter of time before he gets into handloading!

You can get a boyds stock for your stevens, and put an aftermarket barrel on one for not much more than your paying for the remington. How you could argue a stock Remington is a better option is beyond me?

You need to re-read the original post.

How do you know he'll ever get into handloading? He's said nothing to indicate that. That's you assumption.

He said he wanted to do this for $600. You ain't gonna be able to buy a doaner rifle, an aftermarket barrel, aftermarket stock, and the pay someone to put it all together for you including bedding the action for $600. That's ludicrous.

It doesn't matter a tinker's damn what he's shooting if he's limiting himself to factory ammo. It'll be luck of the draw at that point. There's no way to know either way which would be better under the circumstances.

This isn't a Remington vs Savage argument.

You aint gonna use an SPS stock if you are gonna do a build, your gonna chuck the barrel anyways soon enough, and you are paying alot more for these parts with the Rem than the Stevens.

And the Stevens stock is worth using? Have you ever owned either a Stevens or Remington SPS? I can tell you from first hand experience neither of them is spectacular, however, the Remington is of better quality, especially in the forearm and butt pad areas.

 

[mlehtovaara]

they are not both about 600

the stevens will cost quite a bit more than 600$

stevens 349+ 25 shipping+ tax 422

Who says he has to buy new?

barrel 400$ +20$ shipping + tax 474

Not from what i priced out yesterday.

timney trigger 110 + tax 124

Do Remington's come with a timney in the SPS models?

boyds stock 100$ + tax ship duties 150

not quite, and can be alot cheaper with the unfinished models

Gunsmithing ie bedding swapping barrels ???100-200

Dealer on here installs barrels for free, and will bed for $70, but the SPS doesn't come bedded.

So total price is 1270 to 1370 more than twice your 600$ budget.

not even close

People who buy the stevens to build a target rifle are doing so as it is the cheapest way to get an action. They are not purchasing it for the plastic stock.

Of course you arent gonna use the stock, but you aint keeping the SPS stock either.

Used Stevens = $300 after shipping no tax Ive seen a few, and sold mine for less
Boyds Stock = $115 to your door less if you buy the unfinished ones
Barrel = $390 installed
Trigger = can be tweaked quite a bit
= Nowhere near $1200!

Remington SPS = $700 - $730 after tax and shipping
= Still not bedded action!

It will cost him a little more, but you get alot more. You guys all just wanna hate on Savage it's cool, but lets not fudge the numbers! Lol

 

[Mammoth]

You need to re-read the original post.

How do you know he'll ever get into handloading? He's said nothing to indicate that. That's you assumption.

He said he wanted to do this for $600. You ain't gonna be able to buy a doaner rifle, an aftermarket barrel, aftermarket stock, and the pay someone to put it all together for you including bedding the action for $600. That's ludicrous.

It doesn't matter a tinker's damn what he's shooting if he's limiting himself to factory ammo. It'll be luck of the draw at that point. There's no way to know either way which would be better under the circumstances.

This isn't a Remington vs Savage argument.



And the Stevens stock is worth using? Have you ever owned either a Stevens or Remington SPS? I can tell you from first hand experience neither of them is spectacular, however, the Remington is of better quality, especially in the forearm and butt pad areas.

I would handload but I'm going off to university at the end of the year so I don't know if I'll be able to bring my rifle with me, let alone handloading equipment. I'm leaning towards the 700 now, I can shoot the stock barrel until it's a straw and once I replace it I'll drop the whole thing in an AICS or Tube Gun stock with a Jewell.

 

[mlehtovaara]

I would handload but I'm going off to university at the end of the year so I don't know if I'll be able to bring my rifle with me, let alone handloading equipment. I'm leaning towards the 700 now, I can shoot the stock barrel until it's a straw and once I replace it I'll drop the whole thing in an AICS or Tube Gun stock with a Jewell.

Well then it looks like you are all set.

Have fun, but honestly handloading is the only way to go, especially if you are on a budget as a student.

As far as bringing the rifle with you, just don't move in on res. Worst case get a room in a student house, just make sure it has a secure lockable door, and closet. Add a stack on cabinet bolted to the floor of the closet and you are way over legal requirements.

If you leave it at home, you might as well buy a mini 14 because if you aren't practicing you will lose what skills you pick up pretty quick. LOL

Regardless have fun!

 

[fatboyz]

which dealer here will thread, chamber, crown, install and headspace, and finnish a barrel blank for free?
I need their name!!

 

[mlehtovaara]

which dealer here will thread, chamber, crown, install and headspace, and finnish a barrel blank for free?
I need their name!!

Well if it's for a Savage Shillen makes prethreaded, chambered, barrels ready to go on your action.

Not much involved in doing the install, and I have been thinking about trying it myself even. All you need is a go/nogo guage, and a barrel wrench.

PM inbound though.

 

[Jeromeo]

Well if it's for a Savage Shillen makes prethreaded, chambered, barrels ready to go on your action.

Not much involved in doing the install, and I have been thinking about trying it myself even. All you need is a go/nogo guage, and a barrel wrench.

PM inbound though.

You'll also need a barrel vise. You can make some out of oak blocks. That's how I removed my barrel. It is on there pretty darn tight and needs a good 24 hours of soaking with a penetrating oil. I used a dead blow mallet to aid in turning the wrench.

Juanvaldez does all the work on shilen barrel blanks and does a fine job I might add. Very reasonably priced too. He stocks different calibers too so all you need to do is specify what cartridge you'd like it chambered to.

 

[JBD]

You da man mlehtovarra. Calling me out on my price break down when you have never built one yourself.

 

[mlehtovaara]

You da man mlehtovarra. Calling me out on my price break down when you have never built one yourself.

And you know this how?

I went as far as buying the Stevens, the Boyds Stock, doing the trigger myself, All that was needed was the barrel. I had everything priced from Mystic player at that point, but the problem was there was months of waiting to get it and I was out of patients, so parted it all out. Not only that but it shot sub MOA out of the box, at least out to 200 so I had my fun with the Stevens and sold it.

Sorry that you got ripped off, but don't get mad at me.

 

[SoBored]

What about spending a little more, ($650ish), and getting a Savage 12FV or a Remington 700 SPS Varmint? A factory heavy barrel should be fine for a beginner shooter and the Savage will have an AccuTrigger.

Okay, I finally read through all the posts and I see Mystic Precision kinda suggested the same thing.

You'd should get used to the fact that you will need to get into handloading. The sooner you start the sooner the equipment pays for itself.

 

[Jeromeo]

What about spending a little more, ($650ish), and getting a Savage 12FV or a Remington 700 SPS Varmint? A factory heavy barrel should be fine for a beginner shooter and the Savage will have an AccuTrigger.

Okay, I finally read through all the posts and I see Mystic Precision kinda suggested the same thing.

You'd should get used to the fact that you will need to get into handloading. The sooner you start the sooner the equipment pays for itself.

I'd get a better model than the FV. The FV comes with a cheaper savage stock. I would spend the extra cash and go with a savage that has a heavy barrel and a HS precision or McMilan stock. That way you have a quality stock to begin with.

 

[mlehtovaara]

I'd get a better model than the FV. The FV comes with a cheaper savage stock. I would spend the extra cash and go with a savage that has a heavy barrel and a HS precision or McMilan stock. That way you have a quality stock to begin with.

OK now you are officially doubling the OP's budget! LOL

BVSS has the best stock in the price range if you ask me! Thats why I chose it, but still a couple hundred bucks over the OP's price.

Didn't he say he already settled it anyways and was going with a Rem 700?

 

[Jeromeo]

OK now you are officially doubling the OP's budget! LOL

BVSS has the best stock in the price range if you ask me! Thats why I chose it, but still a couple hundred bucks over the OP's price.

Didn't he say he already settled it anyways and was going with a Rem 700?

Totally forgot about the budget. Thanks for the reminder.
I like to spend other peoples money.

 

[2bad4u2]

Used Stevens = $300 after shipping no tax Ive seen a few, and sold mine for less
Boyds Stock = $115 to your door less if you buy the unfinished ones
Barrel = $390 installed
Trigger = can be tweaked quite a bit
= Nowhere near $1200!

Remington SPS = $700 - $730 after tax and shipping
= Still not bedded action!

It will cost him a little more, but you get alot more. You guys all just wanna hate on Savage it's cool, but lets not fudge the numbers! Lol

I like how you've skewed the numbers and details to suit your argument.

(1) You're comparing a used rifle to the cost of a new one.

(2) That roughed out Boyd's stock isn't nowhere near $115 to your door.

(3) The stock Stevens trigger is pure garbage and you pass it off to the equivalent of the Remington's. Therefore you fail to include the cost of an aftermarket trigger in your "build".

(4) No where have you even mentioned taxes, customs, or duty fees on any of the imported or locally purchased items.

(5) There's absolutely no mention of any gunsmith fees for the barrel installation, trigger job, stock re-finishing, inletting, or bedding. The OP can't even reload ammo yet and you make the assumption he can do all of this on his own? Hell, even experienced shooters on this board are likely to need some gunsmithing at some point during a build even if it is a do-it-yourself affair.

(6) Even with your fuzzy math, it still isn't close to $600 the OP had first mentioned.

(7) For a guy who thinks he has the cheap price angle all figured out, you sure blew it on your attempt at valuing a SPS. If you're paying $700-$730 for a SPS, then you're paying WAY too much.

Have I made my point clearly enough? And you have the balls to claim some are biased becuase they favour Remingtons? Pffft! Whatever! I'm all for a cost-benefit analysis between competing brands but only if it's done in a fair and accurate way.. Otherwise, it's meaningless

 

[Jeromeo]

Not sure if this is acceptable..... but I'll post it anyways.

 

[2bad4u2]

Not sure if this is acceptable..... but I'll post it anyways.

Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one. It would be a pretty boring place if everyone agreed on everything. If you're a "fanboy" for one particular brand, I would expect an opinion based on your preferences and biases. If what you present here is inaccurate, exaggerated, and distorted to the point of being misleading, you should expect to be called out on it.

In this case, it's not arguing but an attempt to make sure the OP gets opinions based on relavent facts and information.

 

[Jeromeo]

Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one. It would be a pretty boring place if everyone agreed on everything. If you're a "fanboy" for one particular brand, I would expect an opinion based on your preferences and biases. If what you present here is inaccurate, exaggerated, and distorted to the point of being misleading, you should expect to be called out on it.

In this case, it's not arguing but an attempt to make sure the OP gets opinions based on relavent facts and information.

I completely agree. I'm simply trying to ease the tension. Fanboys are useless. It's the same thing when looking at vehicles. People will most likely be loyal to what they own. I shoot using a savage action but I like the remingtons as well. One day I plan to build a remington. I don't think one brand is better than the other, they each have their perks. You've presented a valid argument with the cost analysis. A dollar here and there does build up.