$600 semi? Mp153/1187????

On the skeet field, I see remington 1187 and 1100's fail to cycle on a regular basis. There are 2 exceptions. One guy has a 20ga 1187 that ran like crap out of the box. After ALOT of work, it seems to work well now. Another buddy has an 1100 12ga that has thousands of rounds on it that always works.I have browning and winchester semi's that always work. Get a used winchester sx3 or browning silver. Even used they will be more money,but worth every penny.
Yes, my Remington 1187 jammed consistently. 1100 are better but require frequent cleanings and o-ring replacements. I'm considering to get SX3 big time. Was a Beretta fan before, now moving towards Browning and Co.
If you are looking at the SA08 you might also look at the Hatsan MPA shotguns as well. They are made in the same factory as the SA08 and are a little cheaper. I have an MPA and love it.
Where would you buy Hatsans? I am having hard time finding them anywhere. What kind of gas action are they using on those?
 
I think Gun's and Games carry Hatsan and several other of the site sponsers. As far as I was can tell it's the same action as the SA-08, made in the same factory by the same workers just without the Weatherby name.
 
Thank you. I'll check Gun's and Games. Just wanted to find it locally so that I could shoulder it first :)

I think Gun's and Games carry Hatsan and several other of the site sponsers. As far as I was can tell it's the same action as the SA-08, made in the same factory by the same workers just without the Weatherby name.
 
Just checked with Gun's and Games. They have Hatsan Escort, pumps only :-(

I think Gun's and Games carry Hatsan and several other of the site sponsers. As far as I was can tell it's the same action as the SA-08, made in the same factory by the same workers just without the Weatherby name.
 
Well I've been thinking about what to get and I think I'm going for the baikal, fits good, comes with 3 chokes and shoot 3 1/2 shells. I found them brand new for $500. (Cheaper than the weatherby after shipping)And Baikal canada isnt far from me. Been reading a lot on this and it looks like there are good and bad things about each gun. Ultimately it came down to the price and reliability and the fact that baikal is so close. Funds are tight, and although I wish I had $1000 to spend on a gun thay would last forever I simply cannot spend that. I will keep updated on my success or failure. Thanks for the posts!!
 
Well I've been thinking about what to get and I think I'm going for the baikal, fits good, comes with 3 chokes and shoot 3 1/2 shells. I found them brand new for $500. (Cheaper than the weatherby after shipping)And Baikal canada isnt far from me. Been reading a lot on this and it looks like there are good and bad things about each gun. Ultimately it came down to the price and reliability and the fact that baikal is so close. Funds are tight, and although I wish I had $1000 to spend on a gun thay would last forever I simply cannot spend that. I will keep updated on my success or failure. Thanks for the posts!!

Good choice! I've shot MadTrapper143's on a couple occasions and it's been flawless. Not pretty by any stretch, but I'll take reliability over that any day.

Cory
 
OMG!!! Don't buy Baikal, I beg you! Just wait another month or so and you'll have your $1000! Beretta, Franchi, Browning, Wilpnchester, even Turkish guns will be better than Baikal!


Well I've been thinking about what to get and I think I'm going for the baikal, fits good, comes with 3 chokes and shoot 3 1/2 shells. I found them brand new for $500. (Cheaper than the weatherby after shipping)And Baikal canada isnt far from me. Been reading a lot on this and it looks like there are good and bad things about each gun. Ultimately it came down to the price and reliability and the fact that baikal is so close. Funds are tight, and although I wish I had $1000 to spend on a gun thay would last forever I simply cannot spend that. I will keep updated on my success or failure. Thanks for the posts!!
 
Lol I wish. Spoken like someone who has money... or no bills.

Don't pay too much attention to him...a few threads back he posted a video about just how reliable and great the Baikal shotgun was. He doesn't have much experience behind the trigger and has even less knowledge about shotguns or firearms in general for that matter. Google and this forum are where he gets his info and then he gets lost in his lies. Even if the Baikal isn't my first choice it should last you quite a few years.
 
I owned a Baikal for ~5 years, shooting on average 40-50 geese a year plus a few ducks and what not, as well as some skeet at home for fun. Realistically I have put a couple thousand rounds down the tube of the MP153. First few years, it handled trap loads decently with the gas spring tightened right up and routine cleaning, but in the last year and a half or so, it would carbon up very quickly and would not cycle target loads, no matter how much cleaning and maintenance I did. I tried doing a couple rounds of formal skeet for the first time last year, and had to pound the stock to feed the jammed rounds (read: frowned upon). The nice thing about the 1187's is that you can change the o-ring and clean the action spring when it starts having trouble cycling, my friend has been shooting an 1187 for the same period of time and his handles target loads still to this day with some reliability.

I have since bought a Maxus and will never look back, but being on a budget I understand where you're coming from, I was in the same boat. That being said, unless you are going to stick to strictly 3" or 3 1/2" shells for hunting birds, I would lean towards the Remington. The Baikal is what it is, a rugged, incredibly dependible brick of a shotgun that will cycle every 3 1/2" mag you feed it for decades without so much as a wipe if you don't care to, but is not ideal IN MY OPINION for any kind of serious skeet/trap shooting.

If you want a third option, I would really suggest looking for a used Browning A5 or BPS or anything similar of quality chambered in 3", it should be more reliable in the long run than either of the your two options, my dad still has an A5 that I doubt he has ever cleaned, and has killed more ducks than lead-infested waters! :)

Edit: I just re-read your initial post, and if you are new to the sport, I wouldn't hesitate to pick up an 870 pump for your first shotgun and hit the range. You can start shooting skeet with strictly singles, no one will mind, and it will probably help refine your skills if nothing else. Re-sale will be exactly what you buy it for (if you pick one up used), tho you probably will keep it as a back-up till the end of time, my wingmaster has served me well for the days I got sick of jamming my Baikal with target loads, or someone else forgot their shotgun or key for a trigger lock.
 
I enjoy my MP153, bought it used off of the EE and it is in great condition. Handles Challenger and Federal target loads like a champ, not a single jam/FTE with either brand. I have yet to run any 3" shells through it but I have no doubt it will perform this fall on the ducks/geese. I will admit, it HATES Winchester target loads, it gets the hull caught mid ejection and I have to wiggle it out of the ejection port, I think I just need to fiddle with the gas adjustment but have not had the time. I went through 200 challengers one day, 50 the next and my shoulder didn't complain once.
If you get the 153, be sure to run some high brass shells through it to break it in.
 
I have had one for Four years I bought it new from Elwood Epps. It jams continously , The camo started peeling the first time I took it hunting after 4 seasons the paint is toatally gone from the pistol grip . It jams regularly even though i shoot nothing but 3 Inch magnums, The bolt handle kept falling out while I was turkey hunting on it's own so I put a dab of epoxy on it. It would fall out simply by catching on the grass.The magazine spring retainer is cheap plastic and doesn't stay in so you have to be careful when removing the magazine nut or everything goes flying. It did'l have a plug when i got it so I made one . The gas adjustment wrench was missing. The pin fell out of the sling swivel and the front sight fell off. Thank goodness a friend in Europe got me anther one as it's some oddball size. All and all pretty much the biggest piece of SH%T I have ever shot. I fell for the video of the guy from Quebec dipping in in mud and freezing water thinking it would be a good waterfowl and better turkey gun. It works for turkey as most time it's one shot. It weigh a ton for a 24 inch barrel. SHAME ON ELEWOOD EPPS AS WELL AS IT WAS A BRAND NEW GUN AND IT WITH PARTS AND THE MANUAL MISSNG ! If you buy one of these decoy anchors then you get what you deserve.
 
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