6500 elite 2.5-16x42. Anything better for the price.

I agree Jerry, always have found your advice and experience very helpful and the Sightron scopes that I have bought from you are exactly as promised. For the price nothing comes close for my eyes. Also have a NF and S&B, but are easily 2 and 3 times Sightrons price, so they had better be great scopes.
 
marcoman said:
Can you strongly recommend anything besides Sightron?? Your hijacks of peoples threads under the guise of offering advice is getting tired. Funny how your advice always leads down the path to a product you offer. Lame.
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I'd say that Jerry has enough time behind the rifle that his opinion is factual. I don't see him pushing garbage scopes because they have the tactical-circle-jerk features that some people just have to have. He uses and sells what has worked for him. Same as ATRS. But I suppose they're just shills for the gear that they sell too.
 
BigUglyMan said:
I'd say that Jerry has enough time behind the rifle that his opinion is factual. I don't see him pushing garbage scopes because they have the tactical-circle-jerk features that some people just have to have. He uses and sells what has worked for him. Same as ATRS. But I suppose they're just shills for the gear that they sell too.
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There are a few unbiased optics dealers that weigh in from time to time, you know, the ones that sell more than one brand; P&D, Hirsch, Plain Sight to name a few.

Nothing against Jerry personally, but there are other brands out there equal to and better than Sightron and I agree with Marcoman that it gets a little tiring when every one of his posts is lauding Sightron as the be all, end all. Heck, even the Nikon sales rep on here doesn't bash other brands.

Any-who, no biggie, back to the topic at hand.
 
bearkilr said:
There are a few unbiased optics dealers that weigh in from time to time, you know, the ones that sell more than one brand; P&D, Hirsch, Plain Sight to name a few.

Nothing against Jerry personally, but there are other brands out there equal to and better than Sightron and I agree with Marcoman that it gets a little tiring when every one of his posts is lauding Sightron as the be all, end all. Heck, even the Nikon sales rep on here doesn't bash other brands.

Any-who, no biggie, back to the topic at hand.
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Just so you are clear... I CAN offer other brands of optics. I am not wed to any one brand. See my very outdated website and there might still be links with my thoughts to other brands of scopes.

In fact, I started years back using Bushnell Elites when Baush and Lomb was part of the family. Remember those 4000 and 4200's? Maybe a Scopechief and even Balvar. Was likely one of the first to get really excited about the then new 3200 10X. I know I called it the best entry level tactical scope on the market at the time. I remember the SH1T storm that stirred up from all the Leupold fans. Then Barrett made it a standard offering on their BMG...

Dig up my very old posts and you will see my comments on these as value leaders. See my very old posts and even website articles. What did I use when I drove a 223 out to a mile?

I was one of the first to get the then new Nikon side focus scopes including a few Monarchs. Even brought in Nikons that weren't available in Canada just to see and test.

A very brief stay with Burris

Did a stint with Weaver and was one of the few that offered the fixed 36X. Still could... maybe.

Was in the process of doing a full on review for a very big name US brand but their product just wasn't up to snuff. And so forth and so on.

Helping customers and working on a wide range of customer rifles, let's me see a very wide range of product. Huskemaw and Vortex and Zeiss Conquest and swarovski come to mind.

Walk into sports stores from time to time to "shop". What else can we see Leica, Zeiss Divari (at least what WSS calls it), and so forth

A few Elcans including the Spectre 1-4X from a few years back.

Then in competition, we get to play with the deep end of the pool including NF - NXS and BR's, Schmidt and Bender, March, Leupold (old gen stuff - never saw the prototype at the Worlds... bummer).

I hope to get some quality time behind a NF competition shortly... should be a positive experience I hope.

We see how they work and how some fail.

I really really want to climb behind a Tangent Theta... maybe next season.

Of course, this doesn't even cover the spotting scopes and binos but that is another story.

I never stop looking at optics cause I feel this is one of the most important parts of any precision rifle and a significant part of my business. Do I feel I have a wide base of experience and info to base my opinions on?

So, I am not just lauding Sightron as the end all.. BUT in this price range and even a whole lot more money, at this time in the Canada market place, I have not seen anything that comes close as a value discussion.

Maybe a shooter needs a certain feature or bell/whistle not offered by another brand. Great... get the tool that suits the job. But tell me another $1000 scope offers the same quality of optic and tracking, enough to take to high levels of competition, I would be very happy to give it a try.

Get out there, climb behind as many scopes as you can. Decide for yourself what is or is not important. What is or is not good.

For me, I need to see the target and the air. I need to trust my scope adjustments to give the desired effect. I have the option of buying far more expensive products. So far, nothing has impressed me enough to sit my rifles.... and that even includes MARCH. Yes, I said it.

YMMV.

Jerry
 
bearkilr said:
There are a few unbiased optics dealers that weigh in from time to time, you know, the ones that sell more than one brand; P&D, Hirsch, Plain Sight to name a few.

Nothing against Jerry personally, but there are other brands out there equal to and better than Sightron and I agree with Marcoman that it gets a little tiring when every one of his posts is lauding Sightron as the be all, end all. Heck, even the Nikon sales rep on here doesn't bash other brands.

Any-who, no biggie, back to the topic at hand.
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Are they really unbiased or are they simply throwing out a "wider net" to improve the odds of a sale? Jerry offers what he feels is quality and what he chooses for his personal use. If he was only concerned with making money he would be offering Leapers, Bushnell, Vortex, Simmons, etc etc. The fact that he only offers what he personally feels is a quality brand(not knocking you Jerry ;)) speaks to his character and the fact that making a buck isn't the driving factor for what he carries.

There are plenty of big name shops that carry cheap utter garbage like Ncstar, Tasco, and Bushnell, but also carry higher end stuff like Leupold, Zeiss, Trijicon, Swarovski and Leica. Are you telling me they carry the good and bad brands because they endorse both, or because they're targeting the poor/uninformed as well as the more discerning/educated consumer?? I'm betting its more about making money than offering a solid product. You know, buyer beware and all...

TDC
 
Mystic Precision said:
Just so you are clear... I CAN offer other brands of optics. I am not wed to any one brand. See my very outdated website and there might still be links with my thoughts to other brands of scopes.

In fact, I started years back using Bushnell Elites when Baush and Lomb was part of the family. Remember those 4000 and 4200's? Maybe a Scopechief and even Balvar. Was likely one of the first to get really excited about the then new 3200 10X. I know I called it the best entry level tactical scope on the market at the time. I remember the SH1T storm that stirred up from all the Leupold fans. Then Barrett made it a standard offering on their BMG...

Dig up my very old posts and you will see my comments on these as value leaders. See my very old posts and even website articles. What did I use when I drove a 223 out to a mile?

I was one of the first to get the then new Nikon side focus scopes including a few Monarchs. Even brought in Nikons that weren't available in Canada just to see and test.

A very brief stay with Burris

Did a stint with Weaver and was one of the few that offered the fixed 36X. Still could... maybe.

Was in the process of doing a full on review for a very big name US brand but their product just wasn't up to snuff. And so forth and so on.

Helping customers and working on a wide range of customer rifles, let's me see a very wide range of product. Huskemaw and Vortex and Zeiss Conquest and swarovski come to mind.

Walk into sports stores from time to time to "shop". What else can we see Leica, Zeiss Divari (at least what WSS calls it), and so forth

A few Elcans including the Spectre 1-4X from a few years back.

Then in competition, we get to play with the deep end of the pool including NF - NXS and BR's, Schmidt and Bender, March, Leupold (old gen stuff - never saw the prototype at the Worlds... bummer).

I hope to get some quality time behind a NF competition shortly... should be a positive experience I hope.

We see how they work and how some fail.

I really really want to climb behind a Tangent Theta... maybe next season.

Of course, this doesn't even cover the spotting scopes and binos but that is another story.

I never stop looking at optics cause I feel this is one of the most important parts of any precision rifle and a significant part of my business. Do I feel I have a wide base of experience and info to base my opinions on?

So, I am not just lauding Sightron as the end all.. BUT in this price range and even a whole lot more money, at this time in the Canada market place, I have not seen anything that comes close as a value discussion.

Maybe a shooter needs a certain feature or bell/whistle not offered by another brand. Great... get the tool that suits the job. But tell me another $1000 scope offers the same quality of optic and tracking, enough to take to high levels of competition, I would be very happy to give it a try.

Get out there, climb behind as many scopes as you can. Decide for yourself what is or is not important. What is or is not good.

For me, I need to see the target and the air. I need to trust my scope adjustments to give the desired effect. I have the option of buying far more expensive products. So far, nothing has impressed me enough to sit my rifles.... and that even includes MARCH. Yes, I said it.

YMMV.

Jerry
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The OP was looking for a varmint scope, 3-400 yard range, not one for f-class competition.
Whatever, same old story.
 
the OP asks the question.. 6500 elite 2.5-16x42. Anything better for the price.

My answer then and now, yes.. see Sightron.

Specifically, SII big sky 6.5-20X50 LRMOA
STAC 2.5-17X56 LRMOA
SIII6-24X50 LRMOA

There... happy now?

Jerry

PS I wonder how much money I could have made selling Vortex scopes????

Yeah, it is all about the money... money, money, money
 
When buying optics, I always go look through them outside. See what your eyes see. Try a few out and you will see what is best for you. Your eyes change over time as well. What used to work for me 15 years ago, doesn't work so well anymore.
 
medvedqc said:
Jerry,

where are the Sightrons made in Japan?

all the best.
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Yes, all of the SII big skys and SIII's are in Japan.

They started doing some stuff in the Phillipines with the STAC line up. To be honest, I can't tell a difference. I am sure the whole point was to add a bunch of features but keep overall price down.. and they have.

The optics of the STAC2.5-17X56 is the same as the SIII's.. As is the function.

Jerry
 
medvedqc said:
jerry,

but where in Japan? there is not that much factories doing scope there .....
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Myself I would not get too hung up on the made in Japan label.
A few years ago Tasco had their EXP optics line made in Japan.

The EXP rifle scope and binos were very good quality for the asking price. I got a great deal from a dealer and good friend for a set of EXP 10x42mm binos.
Were they top drawer? No. But pretty darn good anyways.
Unfortunately during one of my several moves someone else liked them a little more and they disappeared.

A few years down the road then Tasco had the same name brand, made in China or made in South Korea. Both were junk IMO.

just info
 
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Probably LOW (Light Optical Works) for the high end models, but I doubt you'll get a definitive answer from anyone as it seems to be a closely guarded secret as they make parts/lenses/entire scopes for so many companies. It's the same when you ask who makes lenses and parts for Nightforce, Vortex,Bushnell Elite, etc.

The comeback argument is always that even Zeiss, Swarovski, S&B, etc. outsource parts..................... a politician's answer, if you know what I mean.
 
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