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- Thread starter danny1444
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Well its a long road getting into all a dat.
Points to remember I guess.
-Study the wind for a bit, try and determine average, use the 2/3 of the way to tgt rule.And dial in average wind 1/2 minute to 5 , 10 whatever depending on distance and wind speed.Then use reticle to make small corrections.
- Also look for mirage through your scope, if the flow is vertical , wind is light at the tgt, if horizontal wind is strong.
- Wind flags , trees, ...all will help you out.
Now someone else can take it from here
Frank
Points to remember I guess.
-Study the wind for a bit, try and determine average, use the 2/3 of the way to tgt rule.And dial in average wind 1/2 minute to 5 , 10 whatever depending on distance and wind speed.Then use reticle to make small corrections.
- Also look for mirage through your scope, if the flow is vertical , wind is light at the tgt, if horizontal wind is strong.
- Wind flags , trees, ...all will help you out.
Now someone else can take it from here
Frank
Long range shooting is only fun when the wind is blowing. If it wasn't, everyone would be tied for 1st place. Those that can read the conditions best an any given day will come out on top.
There are plenty of books you can read try (google search) but the very best way to figure out the wind is to shoot and shoot plenty. Not just long range, you can learn a lot shooting .22 at 100 yards in the wind. You will be able to pick the right condition and shoot small groups. When you see the conditions change, watch what happens on the target. Sooner or later you will be able to see the change and aim off or stop shooting until the condition comes back.
See if you can find an old AJ Parker wind chart. These are for 144 grain military ball ammo, but will work very well with 155 HPBT bullets. At least help you find the paper at long range. The back of these charts also has MOA come-ups from 100 to 1000 yards.
I have seen kestrel wind meters on the range but have no idea how to change wind MPH into MOA with direction changes.
There are plenty of books you can read try (google search) but the very best way to figure out the wind is to shoot and shoot plenty. Not just long range, you can learn a lot shooting .22 at 100 yards in the wind. You will be able to pick the right condition and shoot small groups. When you see the conditions change, watch what happens on the target. Sooner or later you will be able to see the change and aim off or stop shooting until the condition comes back.
See if you can find an old AJ Parker wind chart. These are for 144 grain military ball ammo, but will work very well with 155 HPBT bullets. At least help you find the paper at long range. The back of these charts also has MOA come-ups from 100 to 1000 yards.
I have seen kestrel wind meters on the range but have no idea how to change wind MPH into MOA with direction changes.
Back in the day, "the dope" was the knowledge, the know how, the "real skinny". Old phrases that became part of the jargon, and sometimes got lost again. - dan
Long Range Canuck
CGN frequent flyer
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- Athabasca Alberta aka God's Country
You can get rules of thumb on the internet, computer programs that get you close, books like as said the Ultimate sniper by John Plaster. The US army sniper manual is on the internet, but nothing is going to get you the kowledge you seek like time doing it. Every rifle and every load is different, you need to find a load, bullet combination that works for your rifle and then head out and see for yourself what your package will do at different ranges in different wind and weather conditions. Keep a log book to help you keep track. I would recomend that you dope your bullet drop in increments of 50 yrds after 300yrds, just a suggestion. A quality Mil-dot scope with target turrets is a definately a tool that makes the long range job easier. I would recomend you put a good amount of dollars in this, it is money that will pay off in the long run. As for ranging you can teach yourself the mil-dot system or go the new and easy route of Laser range finders. It sounds like a lot of work to get into this, but it is only work if you make it work.....alot of us call it a hobby. If you have a range near by try and hook up with a few that do this, most are willing to show you a few tricks. "JUDGING" wind is something you learn with experiance, IE...watching trees, leaves, grass, flags, or mirage waves in your scope, now a Kestrel hand held weather and wind meter are the thing. I'm still old school here, but will probably go high tech soon. Hope this helps, if your an Albertan and close maybe we could hook up sometime and I would be happy to help ya get a start sometime.
Just an opinion
Just an opinion
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- Hillbilly shack in the boonies
A idea for long range hunting..
That reminded me of something Canuck, a gps is a good tool in a pinch for marking off fields, power lines for ref, when hunting. Just pick up the flagging tape after the hunt.
Frank
That reminded me of something Canuck, a gps is a good tool in a pinch for marking off fields, power lines for ref, when hunting. Just pick up the flagging tape after the hunt.
Frank
Long Range Canuck
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Athabasca Alberta aka God's Country
Levi Garrett said:
I've never tried the gps method, but have heard others say it works, Myself I would go other routes, just me. What you said about marking off a field is an excellent tool for setting up a hunt. If you hunt like I do, some would call it more sniping than hunting but we could argue the sportsmanship value of that another time. I scout out a spot before the season and stake out the area with survey stakes in increments of 100 yrds for quick reference and a concealed shooting spot, but always confirm using my mil-dot scope, Laser range finders are the cats arse, everytime i go out with someone that has one I get sold on the idea of buying one, but havent yet. The first time I was out shooting gophers with a bud of mine down south, and he couldn't range no matter what, I was trying to get the dope on a gopher out a little bit and my buddy is set up just behind me and to the right. I size up a gopher and start working the math, then he shouts out 268yrds, I roll my eyes to myself with a smile and continue figureing and come up with 260....hmm lucky guess I take him out. I zone in on another patch and as I focus, out shouts my buddy 345, now Im getting pissed, I roll over from my rifle and look at him smileing and laughing at me then he holds up his bushnell yardage pro 800.... I wanted to throttle him, but it was funny, the funniest was he kept it a secret and was able to use it without me seeing it.....you had to be there i guess. The moral of the story is, there are many ways to do it, all work. Find whats best for you and have fun doing it. Yep think I'm going to get a laser.
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- Hillbilly shack in the boonies
I know, I know, I want one aswell, seen it used, got to try it out, sweet.
Maybe some day soon.....
Frank
Maybe some day soon.....
Frank
long range canuck: i see you are in fort mac, when i get my remingtion 700 set up then i will be spending some quality time with it at genesee range. your more than welcome to come out and pass on any knowledge, the more the merrier!!
Terry Perkins
CGN frequent flyer
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- Bruce County
There is a free ballistics program online called PointBlank. Works for me (and I like 1K shooting). Also check with Milcun (on the internet), they publish a book called "The Wind Book". It is primarily for target shooting, but the lessons can be adapted to field shooting.
Terry Perkins
