6mm CM...(or something like it)

He should be easily be able to sell his Savage 6 creedmoor barrel, especially with that low round count. Wouldn't be hard to get into a 6BR right now.

If it's a factory barrel value even with low round count it isn't worth much. There just isn't a strong market for it, high quality aftermarket barrels aren't expensive enough to make many people want a used factory barrel over a new shilen or whatever. If you're in the market to buy a barrel, chances are high that you're after the best accuracy you can buy and the extra cost of an aftermarket is rarely an issue.

Just last week I saw a thread about rem 700 take off barrels and $150 was considered a high price to get for one of them.
 
I really don't understand the purpose of this exercise. Why completely neuter a cartridge, to do what it wasn't designed to do?

I'm kind of confused as to where you got this impression...

That said why shoot full on loads at 100? I have H4895 on hand as a rule, so why not train with reduced loads? I have abandoned the idea of a cheap 6mm projectile for short range because there isn't much cheaper than a Hornady 105 gr Match to begin with. The vast majority of my training will be with my HBAR, and what I'll use shooting at Petawawa. I'd be a fool not to train with the 6mm CM though and show up at a match after just spending time behind the HBAR. My local range is only 200 yds., so why use twice the powder, never mind the extra barrel wear. When I get the chance to shoot past 200-300m I sure won't be shooting some pop gun load.

As for the milder cartridge, I had considered a 6mm BR...anyone know where I can get one for $650? I think it might take twice that, and a bit more.
 
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If it's a factory barrel value even with low round count it isn't worth much. There just isn't a strong market for it, high quality aftermarket barrels aren't expensive enough to make many people want a used factory barrel over a new shilen or whatever. If you're in the market to buy a barrel, chances are high that you're after the best accuracy you can buy and the extra cost of an aftermarket is rarely an issue.

Just last week I saw a thread about rem 700 take off barrels and $150 was considered a high price to get for one of them.

You're right nothing to gain, I'll shoot it till it's dead, and maybe get a 6mm BR, another CM, or ???
 
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I'm kind of confused as to where you got this impression...

That said why shoot full on loads at 100? I have H4895 on hand as a rule, so why not train with reduced loads? I have abandoned the idea of a cheap 6mm projectile for short range because there isn't much cheaper than a Hornady 105 gr Match to begin with. The vast majority of my training will be with my HBAR, and what I'll use shooting at Petawawa. I'd be a fool not to train with the 6mm CM though and show up at a match after just spending time behind the HBAR. My local range is only 200 yds., so why use twice the powder, never mind the extra barrel wear. When I get the chance to shoot past 200-300m I sure won't be shooting some pop gun load.

As for the milder cartridge, I had considered a 6mm BR...anyone know where I can get one for $650? I think it might take twice that, and a bit more.

You will really have to reduce the load on the cartridge to make it have good barrel life, IMO. Just an exercise that I don't think is worthwhile. I do agree that going full on 100% on loads and riding pressure limits is silly as well. I prefer to find a good node out of the pressure zone and stick with that.

I would really look into a 6BR, it's an awesome cartridge and I think it will be a good cartridge for your purposes. I'm loving my 6BRA. It's scary precise.
 
If it's a factory barrel value even with low round count it isn't worth much. There just isn't a strong market for it, high quality aftermarket barrels aren't expensive enough to make many people want a used factory barrel over a new shilen or whatever. If you're in the market to buy a barrel, chances are high that you're after the best accuracy you can buy and the extra cost of an aftermarket is rarely an issue.

Just last week I saw a thread about rem 700 take off barrels and $150 was considered a high price to get for one of them.

Well when we went through that whole circle jerk of shouldered barrels vs. barrel nut prefits, off-loading/selling barrel nut barrels was considered a big advantage, go figure :rolleyes:

While you certainly won't make money off of a factory barrel, it should be easy to off-load in that cartridge. And with how amazing and cheap all these pre-fit shouldered barrels are, the OP should be into a 6BR for cheap and with an amazing barrel (or so CGN says) :p
 
I'm kind of confused as to where you got this impression...

That said why shoot full on loads at 100? I have H4895 on hand as a rule, so why not train with reduced loads? I have abandoned the idea of a cheap 6mm projectile for short range because there isn't much cheaper than a Hornady 105 gr Match to begin with. The vast majority of my training will be with my HBAR, and what I'll use shooting at Petawawa. I'd be a fool not to train with the 6mm CM though and show up at a match after just spending time behind the HBAR. My local range is only 200 yds., so why use twice the powder, never mind the extra barrel wear. When I get the chance to shoot past 200-300m I sure won't be shooting some pop gun load.

As for the milder cartridge, I had considered a 6mm BR...anyone know where I can get one for $650? I think it might take twice that, and a bit more.

Why not? It works, will be easier on your brass, barrel AND can be very accurate. There is a super accurate node in the 2700/2800fps range which is throttled way down from what is considered "typical". That is essentially what the 6BR should produce for velocity and you don't need to fuss with a shorter case. Ironically, the 6mm CM run at these speeds (2700/2800) will last longer vs a 6BR run at full throttle (pushing high 2800/2900fps).

wrt to bore life, there was a test done by Switzerland Army ( or maybe Austria) where they compare bore life vs pressure... all components the same... and of course done with the type of protocols the Swiss have become famous for. I assume this was to set their ammo pressure to maintain their MG's as long as possible.

Around the 40/45K psi, barrels lasted well over 10,000rds... wish I had the image cause memory puts it like 30 to 40K... it was a huge number vs the performance goals they had set.

they raised the pressures and as expected, bore life drops. As they went over 65k, the bore life plummeted to a couple thousand... so dropping operating pressures extend bore life? You bet and by a surprising amount. velocity difference was not huge... like 200fps.

I have seen 308win barrels burn out UNDER 1500rds using very toasty competition loads. There was a popular go fast load around 2012 that might cook a barrel just over 1000rds but it produced velocities that rivaled 300WM. it got banned by one of the National teams due to safety reasons... no kidding

Conversely, my buddy is bumbling along with an AR running a very moderate plinking load and has gone well past 12,000rds and the dang thing just keeps on shooting nearly as accurately as when it was new. And he is not gentle when he runs it. He practise IPSC/CQB type shooting and typical day is running drills 300 to 400 rds in a session and several mags for each run.

I am currently running a similar load in my 223 which is well past 2300rds which should be beyond it's prime but.... still rocking and enough for the Tac Div win at the BCPRL match. My practise/plinking load shot so well, I just ran it for the match.

finally, as I had mentioned on my Facebook posts and elsewhere, I have been playing with a 22 creedmoor and 6.5-284. Both can be VERY hard on throats with many showing problems under 1000rds. I am running them at moderate pressures, both barrels are in the 300 to 400rds and I can't see any change in the throat. I know F Open shooters who chase their throats every 200 to 300rds... mine, I think has just broken in.

So, load down that 6 CM and I fully expect your bore life to increase significantly, accuracy to be as good as that barrel is going to shoot, load tuning to be stable, brass life to be boring....

If you decide you need full throttle to shoot a match, you can always add more powder BUT if you are inside 1000yds, I don't think you are going to see much if any benefit.

Enjoy...

Jerry
 
Let us know what direction you go and the results.

I've been a big fan of the 6BR cartridges lately. While I've gotten some great results with the creedmoor family cartridges (6.5), the 6BR/BRA seems to be on another level of precision and consistency (and that is really saying something - I do really like the 6.5 creedmoor). They are "boringly" precise and stupid simple to load for, as some would say. The smallest groups of my life have been my 6BR/BRA.

Interesting study, would love to see the actual study (not saying you are wrong). If anyone has Quickload, I would be curious to see what load for a 6 creedmoor would produce ~40k psi and what the 105 bullet velocity would end up being. Would be good info for the OP.
 
If you decide you need full throttle to shoot a match, you can always add more powder BUT if you are inside 1000yds, I don't think you are going to see much if any benefit.

Enjoy...

Jerry

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Let us know what direction you go and the results.

I've been a big fan of the 6BR cartridges lately. While I've gotten some great results with the creedmoor family cartridges (6.5), the 6BR/BRA seems to be on another level of precision and consistency (and that is really saying something - I do really like the 6.5 creedmoor). They are "boringly" precise and stupid simple to load for, as some would say. The smallest groups of my life have been my 6BR/BRA.

Interesting study, would love to see the actual study (not saying you are wrong). If anyone has Quickload, I would be curious to see what load for a 6 creedmoor would produce ~40k psi and what the 105 bullet velocity would end up being. Would be good info for the OP.

By this time next week I should be stocked up on powder and starting to work up a few loads. Hodgdon's Reloading Data shows start load for 6mm CM 105 hdy hpbt/imr4350 at 2866 fps and 48,700 PSI. If the weather is cold, or snowy I'll have plenty of time to load up some and hit the range...pretty good odds it's going to be cold and snowy.
 
Is any one using Alliant Powder in there 6mm CM, or similar capacity cartridge? I've had really good success with RL-15 in 223 HBAR thing. Looking at my manuals, and doing a bit of extrapolating it looks like RL-17 is right in the sweet spot.
 
Here's a thread with 11 pages of peoples reloading data for the 6 creedmoor. You should find lots of experience with Alliant powders and 6 creedmoor here:

forum.snipershide.com/threads/6-creedmoor.95504/

RL17 and RL26 are two that are mentioned in that thread.
 
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I did not know there was a 6mm Creed. Must be similar to a 243.

I recall a Canadian shooting F Class at Bisley, shoot 105s at 1000 yards, using 4895 in a 6BR. He beat everyone. Not much wind that year.
 
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