I do not agree... you do NOT need to break the shoulder... unless the animal is standing on the edge of a cliff... one shot squarely through the lungs will kill anything in short order... I am not sure what was meant by "klms" but if it was kilometers (kms), then that statement is ludicrous. Nothing will travel a kilometer with no oxygen... let alone plural "kmS in one minute and without functioning lungs, due to your 140 TTSX or whatever else you delivered there.
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I do not agree... you do NOT need to break the shoulder... unless the animal is standing on the edge of a cliff... one shot squarely through the lungs will kill anything in short order... I am not sure what was meant by "klms" but if it was kilometers (kms), then that statement is ludicrous. Nothing will travel a kilometer with no oxygen... let alone plural "kmS in one minute and without functioning lungs, due to your 140 TTSX or whatever else you delivered there.
just putting enough edreniln into your meat .
Funny why the guilds will tell you to take the front shoulder .
if an elk was grazing the night before and the stomach is full
this will push the heart and lung up inbehind the front leg .
You hunt the way you want
my meat always drops (no running )
no wounded animal . And no tracking a blood trail
I drop them were I see them
so let see an animal from your experience
take note of the pic below the heart and lung is the last place you shoot an elk .
unless you feel like tra
cking a big bull for miles in alpine terrain
and then carting him from the hole of hell
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I'm not arguing with you just stating what I've experienced in the last 50 or so years of hunting....LOL, and I don't need to show my game animals on the net to voice my experience. Shoot them where you want, believe what you want. But when you make statements like a heart or lung shot animal will travel kms, well then you should expect to be questioned on your comments.
Decent Elk in the pic btw, congrats!
I have seen many elk shot perfectly and when retreaved the heart and lung are destroyed and the animal will run as far as a klm
just putting enough edreniln into your meat .
Funny why the guilds will tell you to take the front shoulder .
if an elk was grazing the night before and the stomach is full
this will push the heart and lung up inbehind the front leg .
You hunt the way you want
my meat always drops (no running )
no wounded animal . And no tracking a blood trail
I drop them were I see them
Then you haven't shot enough meat. Nothing will drop ALL your game on the spot ALL the time except a CNS shot, and I don't take those unless I am VERY close due to the size of the target necessary.
You really think that an animals heart and lungs move around in his body depending on how much it ate recently??
I have seen many elk shot perfectly and when retreaved the heart and lung are destroyed and the animal will run as far as a klm...
Funny why the guilds will tell you to take the front shoulder if an elk was grazing the night before and the stomach is full this will push the heart and lung up inbehind the front leg.
Sorry partner... I'm calling BS on both of these points... no animal in the history of the world has had its lungs "destroyed" and then travelled a kilometer, it is physiologically impossible... without air, muscle masses cramp up and refuse to operate, and death by hemorrage comes quickly... all of your points seem to come from some entrenched "wives tale" type regurgitation of old' boy's campfire talk...
Just take a look at the pictures you posted... see where the center of the lungs and heart are in relationship to the leg bones and scapula... breaking the shoulder does not make sense and is a lower percentage shot.
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Top speed on an elk is roughly 70km-hr... I've tracked wounded elk, it sucks.
It is not that it doesn't work... it is just not the best option, except in certain circumstances (where it is imperative that it drops in its tracks)... in generally, centering the lungs is a higher percentage cleaner kill. JMO...
From my experience, I'd say the high shoulder shot has a much wider margin of error than centre lungs....it also has a much higher degree of meat damage.
I have seen shoulder shots go badly a number of times on moose and bear... I have very little experience with elk... when shot at quartering angles even slightly, deflection is a possibility. I had a sport making a slight quartering on shot with a 7RM and Partition... the bullet came appart and destroyed most of the bear and left him with a cape, skull and a couple roasts... what a mess... but as I said earlier... this is my opinion and experience.
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The high shoulder is definitely a shot for tough bullets.....such as mono metals. When an animal is quartering away, I aim for the far shoulder if I need a bang flop. You can sometimes pull off the same shot with the animal quartering to you. Other than perfectly broadside, I aim for the exit rather than the entrance.
Mine typically is too.
I am not very concerned with the "bang flop". I am more concerned with an absolutely fatal shot on the first try, and a complete pass through for a good blood trail if the animal manages to run a bit. A heart lung shot is the first goal. Sometimes, depending on presentation angles, one needs to take out a shoulder either on the way in or on the way out, in order to go through the heart lungs, but no animal will go far if it has no blood pressure to its brain, certainly not kilometers. It will be easy to find if there is an exit wound, and I have come to believe the resulting bleed out from a shot that destroys the major arteries and veins above the heart will be good for the meat. Meat is always a major goal, so I hate to shoot any shoulders I don't have to. I'd rather follow an obvious blood trail for 150 yards than lose the shoulder meat from one (or both) sides.
Having said that, I did shoot the last moose I shot with a high shoulder shot. He was standing beside a usable quad trail I was walking along, and I knew that any direction it went within 100 yards would mean a LOT of work, so I deliberately tried to anchor him where he stood, and it worked that time. So I do understand the advantages of intentionally breaking down an animal, but I also understand the value of good meat, so I try not to deliberately shoot any of it if I can.
I have never seen an animal of any type run a kilometer if shot properly through the chest cavity with any reasonable cartridge.
Having said that, I did shoot the last moose I shot with a high shoulder shot. He was standing beside a usable quad trail I was walking along, and I knew that any direction it went within 100 yards would mean a LOT of work, so I deliberately tried to anchor him where he stood, and it worked that time. So I do understand the advantages of intentionally breaking down an animal, but I also understand the value of good meat, so I try not to deliberately shoot any of it if I can.
I have never seen an animal of any type run a kilometer if shot properly through the chest cavity with any reasonable cartridge.
