7.62 Presumably Tokarev Ammo

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Good morning,

At a Gunshow I pickt up a original Factory Box of 40 rounds of 7.62 Ammo. The markings on the Box seems to indicate Russian Manufacture.

I checked the Shells with a Magnet which shows the casings are Brass but the Bullets seem to be Steel even they are Brass coloured. And yes I scraped a Bullet harshly with a Knife and it still shows Brass underneath, what's up with that ?

Does anybody have experience with this same Ammo, I like to plink it out of my Mauser Bromhandles.

Thanks in advance for any constructive reply's.

Cheers

Just pulled a Bullet and found the Casing has a single Flash Hole / not Berdan Primed !
 
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9.3mauser said:
Europeans like using mild steel for jacket material. Test some Norma, S&B, or RWS bullets with a magnet and most likely it will be steel,
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the steel used in bullet jackets is much softer then typical 1018 or 1020 mild steel im used to and S&B .303 brass can also rust on the inside still haven't figured that one out. and I would never shoot anything but 7.62 Mauser in my broom handles although the brass may be useable ;)
 
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You may get away with running Tok ammo through your broom handle, or you may end up like the fella in the lower mainland that had the bolt fly into his eye...
 
B said:
You may get away with running Tok ammo through your broom handle, or you may end up like the fella in the lower mainland that had the bolt fly into his eye...
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Occasionally I hear such Story's but so far no verifiable Facts.

Been collecting Broomhandles for some time, have 4 more coming in a couple of weeks. When I had nothing else I used Tokaref Ammo, not once any Problems.

Cheers
 
9.3mauser said:
Europeans like using mild steel for jacket material. Test some Norma, S&B, or RWS bullets with a magnet and most likely it will be steel,
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Thank you for your contribution. Just checked a box of 9.3*62 RWS Rifle Shells and found your absolutely correct. I wonder if this is one of the reasons of there superior performance on large Game.

Cheers
 
Hitzy said:
Some of the Czech 7.62 runs 1600fps...better know what you are putting in your Broomhandle
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Correct,I shot one of those Czech 7.62x25 and it Cronied over 1700 fps.scared the hell out me.
Before I did this I pulled a few bullets,weighted them as well as the powder,powder charge 10 gr.
Experimented and found that reducing powder charge to 8 gr brought the velocity down to around 1250 fps.
And of course assuming it was corrosive washed the barrel out with hot water and gave it a regular cleaning after that.
 
OP - Keep trying. You'll manage to wreck a nice old Broomhandle yet. I fired some of that hot stuff out of a TT-33. The hairpin clip flew off. I handloaded for my Broomhandle.

There has always been an off again, on again debate about whether some of the steel cased 7.62x25 ammo is too hot even for the Tokarevs. I fired a fair bit out of my CZ52, and some through an adapter cartridge in a Mosin Nagant 7.62x54R rifle. Rather than risk wearing parts of a 100+ year old pistol, I would suggest a good handload. Reducing the powder load as suggested above is one way to keep the old ones shooting.

Years back, I managed to find some new boxer prime brass and loaded for the Broomhandle, using cast Lee 93 gr. and 700X powder. Never did shoot the old girl too much.

I had part of the cocking mechanism off a real nice Luger go flying past my head at an indoor range. It cracked and broke off.
 
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More than a few CZ52's broke with hot SMG ammo and there is a debate over which is stronger it or the TT33.In my Polish TT-33 using Starline brass Hornady 86gr or 90gr HP and 13gr of Win 296 hits right to point of aim and bagged 15 yards one ragged hole.
 
There is no such thing as "SMG" tokarev ammo. The 52 has a weak point, add in poor QC of Czech ammunition and that is the cause of pretty well all reported failures. This topic is easy to research. I don't have much personal experience with the 52 but I have loaded the x25 to over 1700 fps with a 90 grain JHP in the TT-33. That is insane performance. The load is straight out of the Hornady manual.
 
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My load is not MAX and very accurate. The Czech ball ammo is accurate enough for Gov't work with claybird sized 20 yard groups. SMG ammo is a subjective opinion PPSH comes to mind.
 
mbogo3 said:
My load is not MAX and very accurate. The Czech ball ammo is accurate enough for Gov't work with claybird sized 20 yard groups. SMG ammo is a subjective opinion PPSH comes to mind.
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It's not a subjective opinion. No army has made different lots of x25 for use only in SMGs. 9x19 yes but not x25.
 
The Mauser is a collectible. I would not batter it up with hot ammo.

Pull bullets and drop the charge for cheap plinker ammo.

Look again with a light. I expect you will see the case has 2 small flash holes.
 
There is one other option for C96 owners that should only be used on shooter grade only pistols.

Wolf Springs makes a kit of stronger springs just for this purpose and from my experience it works well.

Several years ago I purchased a shooter grade C96 from a fellow here on CGN. The recoil springs were broken. I contacted the fellow because I was POed he didn't include that info in his ad. After talking to him, it was pretty obvious what had happened. He shot Czech ammo through the old girl. He told me around 50 rounds but it wasn't cycling properly so he decided to get rid of it. It was pretty obvious that he hadn't stripped the pistol down to clean it but he did spray some Windex down the bore and scrubbed it, just like he did his SKS. Fine, the issues weren't intentionally left out.

Anyway to make a long story short, I called the good people at Wolf Springs and the nice lady I spoke with suggested that I purchase their kit for the C96 with intentionally stronger springs. The only thing was is I had to trim them for length. The kit even includes the folded leaf, magazine spring. That pistol handled everything it was fed after the swap out, but I will admit, I only shot a few rounds of the Czech fodder through it.

I remember there was another thread about this a while back. I remember someone posted a WWII posting by the Germans, stating that all RUSSIAN 7.62x25 ammunition was suitable for C96 pistols, which the Soviets used in quantity, along with the other firearms using the same ammo, completely interchangeably.

From the posted tables in this thread, the only ammo that would be deemed unacceptable for use in a C96 in good condition, would the the Czech manufactured stuff.

I don't know why the Czechs made such significantly hotter ammo, but they didn't accept the SKS either, or it's ammo until they were basically forced into compliance and had to convert most of their 52/57 rifles to Com Bloc standard.
 
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