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i was just at the woodstock gun show today, i had ran across a guy selling 7.62x39 and .223 tracer rounds, so just in interest i bought 2 20rnd boxes at $25 EACH (ouch). Just gonna wait to try and use them as where ive never fired and looked fun.
 
What is the story with tracer rounds anyway?
I got some from a guy at a gun show too. He said they are not illegal to posess but you can't sell them or something....

What is the law pertaining them?
Can someone clarify that please?
 
Afaik they can't import them anymore So what is here is here and that's why the value has gone up on tracer at gun shows.
 
bcgunkid said:
What is the story with tracer rounds anyway?
I got some from a guy at a gun show too. He said they are not illegal to posess but you can't sell them or something....
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So you were sold tracer rounds by someone who said it was illegal to sell them? And that didn't seem fishy to you?

What is the law pertaining them?
Can someone clarify that please?
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Well if you ask anyone around here besides me, they'll point to OICs and the Firearms Act and tell you they're legal. Now if you ask someone who's been in the explosives industry for 16 years and knows a couple things about it, you'll be told that they are not an authorized explosive and possession is as illegal as any other unauthorized explosive. Just because someone is selling doesn't mean it's ok.

Are you gonna get your door kicked in over it? Probably not. But I wouldn't advertise about it on a public forum either.
 
I can't believe you quoted me and you never even read the quote....:rolleyes:


AK said:
So you were sold tracer rounds by someone who said it was illegal to sell them? And that didn't seem fishy to you?


Well if you ask anyone around here besides me, they'll point to OICs and the Firearms Act and tell you they're legal. Now if you ask someone who's been in the explosives industry for 16 years and knows a couple things about it, you'll be told that they are not an authorized explosive and possession is as illegal as any other unauthorized explosive. Just because someone is selling doesn't mean it's ok.

Are you gonna get your door kicked in over it? Probably not. But I wouldn't advertise about it on a public forum either.
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bcgunkid said:
I can't believe you quoted me and you never even read the quote....:rolleyes:
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I read it just fine. If you're going to argue semantics then perhaps you'd kindly elucidate precisely what aggrieves you. Your response is otherwise quite pointless.
 
Had to look this one up...LOL

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AK said:
I read it just fine. If you're going to argue semantics then perhaps you'd kindly elucidate precisely what aggrieves you. Your response is otherwise quite pointless.
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It is pleasing to know there are others on this forum who have a vocabulary with which they may more clearly and elegantly express themselves. At times, the lack of language skills has proven worrisome. Thank you, AK. :)

UncleMax
 
Yep.

Alright I went and found it since everyone always argues:

No, tracers are NOT legal under section 6(d) of the Explosives Act, the definition of "safety cartridge" under the Explosives Regulations, and section 117(3c) of the Explosives Regulations.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/E-17/FullText.html

6. Except as authorized under this Act and subject to such exemptions as may be provided by regulation, no person shall

(a) make or manufacture explosives either wholly or in part except in a licensed factory;

(b) sell any authorized explosive unless that person is the operator of a licensed factory or licensed magazine and is authorized to sell explosives;

(c) store any explosive in a magazine that is not a licensed magazine;

(d) have in his possession any explosive; or

(e) carry on, except in a licensed factory, any of the following processes, namely,

(i) dividing into its component parts, or otherwise breaking up or unmaking, any explosive,

(ii) making fit for use any damaged explosive, or

(iii) remaking, altering or repairing any explosive.
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This states that you and I are not allowed to possess explosives, period. Unless an exception is made.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/C.R.C.,_c._599/FullText.html

“safety cartridge” means a cartridge for any shotgun, gun, rifle, pistol, revolver and industrial gun the case of which can be extracted after firing and that is so closed as to prevent any explosion in one cartridge being communicated to another cartridge but does not include tracer, incendiary, high explosive or other similar military type cartridges; (cartouche de sûreté);
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This defines what a "safety cartridge" is, and it pretty specifically excludes tracer rounds.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/C.R.C.,_c._599/FullText.html

117. (1) Except as provided in this section, no person shall sell

(a) any authorized explosive of Class 7, Fireworks, unless he is the operator of a licensed factory or licensed fireworks magazine; or

(b) any other explosive unless the explosive is an authorized explosive and he is the operator of a licensed factory or licensed magazine other than a licensed temporary magazine and the purchaser is

(i) the operator of a licensed factory or licensed magazine,

(ii) the holder of a valid licence or permit issued by an authorized provincial or territorial department or agency providing for the storage of explosives, or

(iii) the holder of a valid Purchase and Possession Permit.

(2) The operator of a licensed factory, licensed fireworks magazine or licensed magazine other than a licensed temporary magazine is authorized to sell only the authorized explosives to which his licence applies.

(3) Any person may, subject to the following conditions and restrictions, have in his possession and sell the following authorized explosives:

(a) gunpowder or small arms propellant, if the total quantity stored for sale does not exceed 12 kilograms and the explosive is stored in a detached store or suitable receptacle, as defined in sections 134 and 136, in accordance with the provisions set out in sections 135 and 137;

(b) percussion caps, if the total number stored for sale does not exceed 10,000 and they are stored separately from other explosives in a suitable receptacle as defined in section 136;

(c) safety cartridges and safety fuses, if the quantity stored does not exceed that permitted by Part XI; and

(d) Subdivisions 1, 3 and 4 of Division 2 fireworks, if the quantity stored does not exceed that permitted by Part XI.
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This states that you and I are allowed to possess safety cartridges, which is the exemption to Section 6 of the Explosives Act that prohibits us from that possession. As defined in the regulations, a safety cartridge is not a tracer so you are not allowed to possess it.

There is no grey area, the law is very cut and dried. But then again what do I know, I've only been an explosives tech for 16 years and had a senior explosives inspector in Ottawa confirm it, face to face.
 
AK said:
Yep.

Alright I went and found it since everyone always argues:

No, tracers are NOT legal under section 6(d) of the Explosives Act, the definition of "safety cartridge" under the Explosives Regulations, and section 117(3c) of the Explosives Regulations.



This states that you and I are not allowed to possess explosives, period. Unless an exception is made.



This defines what a "safety cartridge" is, and it pretty specifically excludes tracer rounds.



This states that you and I are allowed to possess safety cartridges, which is the exemption to Section 6 of the Explosives Act that prohibits us from that possession. As defined in the regulations, a safety cartridge is not a tracer so you are not allowed to possess it.

There is no grey area, the law is very cut and dried. But then again what do I know, I've only been an explosives tech for 16 years and had a senior explosives inspector in Ottawa confirm it, face to face.
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wow is it that big of deal?? loosen up a little bit! once you have shot tracers you will love them! and they a legal. aha
 
look guys NO BODY CARES if they are legal or not . no one is going to get busted for them anyway. list 1 example of anyone getting busted for having or selling tracers
its a non issue.
 
do you guys realize just how many laws and regulations there are in canada ? well over 250,000 and counting . hell there is still a law on the books in edmonton that makes it illegal to ride a horse on the sidewalk, when the hell has anyone rode a horse in a city outside of a parade?
i would hazard a guess to say that just about everything is illegal if you dig deep enough
 
I'll just leave this here :)

PART 5
PROHIBITED AMMUNITION

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 10

1. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a commonly available semi-automatic handgun or revolver and that is manufactured or assembled with a projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to be capable of penetrating body armour, including KTW, THV and 5.7 x 28 mm P-90 cartridges.

2. Any projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered to ignite on impact, where the projectile is designed for use in or in conjunction with a cartridge and does not exceed 15 mm in diameter.

3. Any projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to explode on impact, where the projectile is designed for use in or in conjunction with a cartridge and does not exceed 15 mm in diameter.

4. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a shotgun and that contains projectiles known as “fléchettes” or any similar projectiles.
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