7.62x25 Rifle Chamber Insert

I love this one. As if 2 thousands of a inch would really matter that much anyways. There's probably that much difference in most different bullets any ways. I would like to find adapters like this also shooting a pistol round in a rifle would give a guy something else to shoot with out buying a new rifle. I have old Parker Hale inserts to shoot 410 out of 12 gauge that work well.

At one point I bought a 7.62x39 > .303 British adapter. The thing was plenty expensive.
Great idea right?

Anyway, fired 2 rounds. It was a major pain to get the fired brass back out of the adapter. Actually, I couldn't do it at the gun club at all, only at home.

I also read somewhere that the adapters crack rapidly.

Way too expensive to buy and very hard to use and apparently don't last long.

Other than that, they're great. :rolleyes:
 
I've heard the 7.62x39 adaptors are more difficult to use, not enough material to give any sort of strength, and nothing to grip when something gets stuck. But for shooting a small round in a large rifle, for cheap, they're great. As far as two thousandth of an inch not mattering, usually I would agree, but when one hears dimensional differences of 0.306 to 0.314 for comm block surplus, it's always prudent to check a couple, just in case. Not that I think you could blow a 30-06 action up with 7.62x25, but I would rather not find out the hard way.
 
Haven't taken a caliper to the first 2, but the 4 different batches I have of tokarev run around 0.308-0.309. Pretty sure 7.62x39 and the 7.62x54R runs closer to 0.312. At least that's what wiki says. Again, it's comm block surplus ammo, so it's probably all over the place.
 
anyone have a .303 to x25 or x39 they want to get rid of. seems like everyone hates them and i have a real ugly beater Enfield i made out of parts (maybe 10 rifles in it now) that would like to permanently affix one of these adapters in and extend the extractor to semi work and extract.
 
I purchased 7.62x25 to 7.62x54R insert from ebay and tested it with new production Norinco 7.62x25 and Mosin M38.

1. Only about 30% of rounds would fit insert's chamber flush. The rest sticking out up to 2.5mm and it prevents bolt from closing.
2. I had drilled wood block and dowels to punch out shot cases... it is doable, put still rather PITA. Insert itself extracts from rifle's chamber without problems.
3. I tested at 25 yards. Out of 15 shots I got 4 on the letter size paper. Plywood target holder was new when I started - I found only 12 holes later. Largest distance between holes - over 2'. I guess if I would try to shoot it at 100y - I'd need luck to hit berm...
 
I love this one. As if 2 thousands of a inch would really matter that much anyways. There's probably that much difference in most different bullets any ways. I would like to find adapters like this also shooting a pistol round in a rifle would give a guy something else to shoot with out buying a new rifle. I have old Parker Hale inserts to shoot 410 out of 12 gauge that work well.

Um.... Have you ever seen a bullet? Like a real l life bullet? Have you a set of calipers? Actually better grab a micrometer.... Bullets don't vary by more than a few teen thousandth of an inch in diameter.....

And yes, shooting .310 or .311 in a .308 barrel isn't a great idea. Might function, but don't expect any kind of accuracy.... Then again it might create a dangerous high pressure situation too....
 
I've used one of these with surplus 7.62x25mm out of a 4Mk1 and a P-14. Both group badly at 50m: seldom under 12". The too small bullet combined with the long jump before engaging the rifling seems to create a shotgun pattern. I've thought that it might be more accurate with proper diameter cast boolits but have not gotten around to trying. Easier to reload actual .303.
 
I've used one of these with surplus 7.62x25mm out of a 4Mk1 and a P-14. Both group badly at 50m: seldom under 12". The too small bullet combined with the long jump before engaging the rifling seems to create a shotgun pattern. I've thought that it might be more accurate with proper diameter cast boolits but have not gotten around to trying. Easier to reload actual .303.

They are proper diameter bullets, I'm pretty sure.

The x25 uses .310/.311 so does the 303
 
Some years ago I used a micrometer to measure about a dozen bullets from a box (Hornady, I think) of .303 that I had just bought. They were advertized as .3105, and didn't vary from that by more than a few 0.0001's, which is about the limits of my skill for repeatability with a micrometer.

I supose that from the manufacturing point of view the outer diameter of a cylinder is one of the easiest things to measure/control.

And as I type this, I now want to go measure the bullets of some old bulgarian 7.62x54r I have to see how much they vary unit to unit.

Ulrich
 
I have a chamber adapter .308 (7.62x51) to 7.62x39. It's been here for ages, and is still untested. This is slightly different than OP's, as the adapter is supposed to stay in the barrel. (held in place with locktite so it can be removed later)

I have also seen/used various inserts for shotguns, and like your style, they are cycled with the action, and the sub cartridge removed manually after cycling. They do work, but there isn't much rifled barrel. The style OP shows might take advantage of the parent rifle's barrel, which is nice.

Awesome method to keep costs down and practice with less recoil, or noise. Great for smaller, or new shooters.

At one point I bought a 7.62x39 > .303 British adapter. The thing was plenty expensive.
Great idea right?

Anyway, fired 2 rounds. It was a major pain to get the fired brass back out of the adapter. Actually, I couldn't do it at the gun club at all, only at home.

I also read somewhere that the adapters crack rapidly.

Way too expensive to buy and very hard to use and apparently don't last long.

Other than that, they're great. :rolleyes:

When I first started inquiring about chamber adapters, it was made clear to me by the manufacturer (Ace in Alaska) that .303 to 7.62x39 was for blanks only. Using real 7.62x39 would degrade the thin adapter.
 
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I have a chamber adapter .308 (7.62x51) to 7.62x39. It's been here for ages, and is still untested. This is slightly different than OP's, as the adapter is supposed to stay in the barrel. (held in place with locktite so it can be removed later)

I have also seen/used various inserts for shotguns, and like your style, they are cycled with the action, and the sub cartridge removed manually after cycling. They do work, but there isn't much rifled barrel. The style OP shows might take advantage of the parent rifle's barrel, which is nice.

Awesome method to keep costs down and practice with less recoil, or noise. Great for smaller, or new shooters.



When I first started inquiring about chamber adapters, it was made clear to me by the manufacturer (Ace in Alaska) that .303 to 7.62x39 was for blanks only. Using real 7.62x39 would degrade the thin adapter.

As I mentioned above - I'd be leery about using an adapter designed to fit bullets through a gun that are too big for the barrel bore diameter.

Your x39 bullets are actually supposed to be 0.312 (thought it was supposed to be more than 0.310 or 0.311). The bore on your 308 Winchester is 0.308 or so (some are a few ten thou bigger or smaller). That's a fairly significant difference....

It certainly might fire, but depending on the type of ammo you're using, you're very liable to get chamber pressures that are too high.

Even with cast lead bullets, you generally don't want to go 3 thou over bore diameter. 1-2 thou over is about the most that most people go (I've seen guys with bigger bore 45-70's using 0.461 in their 0.4585 bore diameter guns, and that's about the max I've seen people say they use).

But with jacketed bullets, 3 thou is a lot. If the jacket is really soft, and the core is lead, then sure it'll swage down, but your accuracy will likely be horrid (not to mention the massive jump to the rifling you'll see). But swaging down that bullet is going to take force, so the chamber pressure will certainly spike. How high it spikes, and if it's dangerous, is up to you - I personally wouldn't ever do it though.

With steel/bimetal jackets, I would argue that it could be VERY dangerous to use these in the too-small bore. Add in the steel core aspect that the bullet might contain, and you're looking at a bullet that won't compress very well at all. I wouldn't be surprised to hear about blowing up a gun using this kind of 7.62x39mm ammo in a 308 winchester bore.

In fact, I'm surprised someone actually sells an adapter like this - that's kind of insane.

If you really want to shoot cheaply, with cheap ammo, better to just buy an SKS or similar gun that runs cheap ammo, and have fun with that. The cost of the adapter likely isn't small, and then you're running ammo in a gun not designed for it, that isn't exactly quick or easy to load and unload and reload.

Each to his own, but you wouldn't catch me running it through my guns.
 
At one point I bought a 7.62x39 > .303 British adapter. The thing was plenty expensive.
Great idea right?

Anyway, fired 2 rounds. It was a major pain to get the fired brass back out of the adapter. Actually, I couldn't do it at the gun club at all, only at home.

I also read somewhere that the adapters crack rapidly.

Way too expensive to buy and very hard to use and apparently don't last long.

Other than that, they're great. :rolleyes:

As I mentioned above - I'd be leery about using an adapter designed to fit bullets through a gun that are too big for the barrel bore diameter.

Your x39 bullets are actually supposed to be 0.312 (thought it was supposed to be more than 0.310 or 0.311). The bore on your 308 Winchester is 0.308 or so (some are a few ten thou bigger or smaller). That's a fairly significant difference....

It certainly might fire, but depending on the type of ammo you're using, you're very liable to get chamber pressures that are too high.

Even with cast lead bullets, you generally don't want to go 3 thou over bore diameter. 1-2 thou over is about the most that most people go (I've seen guys with bigger bore 45-70's using 0.461 in their 0.4585 bore diameter guns, and that's about the max I've seen people say they use).

But with jacketed bullets, 3 thou is a lot. If the jacket is really soft, and the core is lead, then sure it'll swage down, but your accuracy will likely be horrid (not to mention the massive jump to the rifling you'll see). But swaging down that bullet is going to take force, so the chamber pressure will certainly spike. How high it spikes, and if it's dangerous, is up to you - I personally wouldn't ever do it though.

With steel/bimetal jackets, I would argue that it could be VERY dangerous to use these in the too-small bore. Add in the steel core aspect that the bullet might contain, and you're looking at a bullet that won't compress very well at all. I wouldn't be surprised to hear about blowing up a gun using this kind of 7.62x39mm ammo in a 308 winchester bore.

In fact, I'm surprised someone actually sells an adapter like this - that's kind of insane.

If you really want to shoot cheaply, with cheap ammo, better to just buy an SKS or similar gun that runs cheap ammo, and have fun with that. The cost of the adapter likely isn't small, and then you're running ammo in a gun not designed for it, that isn't exactly quick or easy to load and unload and reload.

Each to his own, but you wouldn't catch me running it through my guns.

"Keep this in mind: the guy who pulls the trigger 5 times in a game of Russian Roulette is not the one to advise you on safety of the practice, even though he speaks persuasively, passionately, and from great personal experience."

Opinions are certainly valid. As soon as many folks see 7.62x39 thoughts of cheap surplus prevail, Good news though, the chamber adapters come with instructions.
 
"Keep this in mind: the guy who pulls the trigger 5 times in a game of Russian Roulette is not the one to advise you on safety of the practice, even though he speaks persuasively, passionately, and from great personal experience."

Opinions are certainly valid. As soon as many folks see 7.62x39 thoughts of cheap surplus prevail, Good news though, the chamber adapters come with instructions.

Do the instructions say "do not use at all" on them?

Or maybe "if you actually plan on using this, pull all bullets from the 7.62x39mm ammunition and re-load cases with 0.308" diameter bullets of the same weight"?

lol
 
Do the instructions say "do not use at all" on them?

Or maybe "if you actually plan on using this, pull all bullets from the 7.62x39mm ammunition and re-load cases with 0.308" diameter bullets of the same weight"?

lol

Like some keyboards should...

I don't dispute your repeated opinion. Without actually investigating beyond what "someone without concern for personal safety" may do with such things, the verbosity is worth sifting through. Obviously not everyone will, but there are enough folks out there willing to pursue it that a product is actually available. Of course the caveats you've mentioned must be considered before buying the darn thing.
 
>And as I type this, I now want to go measure the bullets of some old Bulgarian 7.62x54r I have to see how much they vary unit to unit.

15 rounds of 1971 Bulgarian 7.62x54r surplus all mic'd out within the range of 7.87mm-7.88mm (.3098-.3102), and much of that variation could well be my limited skill.

Even the cheap old stuff is crazy consistent.

Ulrich
 
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